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Old 04-15-15, 01:57 AM
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I agree - Hillary is a lousy candidate.

Seriously - I can't believe the Democrats are going to nominate her.
I was talking about all of them. Why do you feel like you have to pick sides?
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Question: Can the mods add an avatar to someone without their approval?

If so, I am hoping they can add this for classicman2:

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Really hope Clinton doesn't get the nomination. Way too much history and baggage with the over-30 set, no appeal to the under-30 set. I think a Clinton nomination would be a GOP victory.
I assume you are talking about male voters? Over-30 female voters will vote for her in overwhelming numbers. Same for under 30's when they tune in.
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Question: What's wrong with Marco Rubio?
He looks like my paper boy. I feel like taking off his cap and tousling his hair.

Rubio can speak on issues but when he speaks on them, it sounds like he crammed for an exam the night before. He has no gravitas when he speaks and seems like a pussy.

You asked.

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Tea Party darling? Hmm! Learn something new everyday.
You just learned that?
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What's wrong with Marco Rubio?
Please specify what you mean. Do you mean, what's wrong with Marco Rubio in terms of his capabilities, positions, record, etc., or, what's wrong with him as a candidate? If you're asking about the former, I don't really know. There doesn't seem to be much of anything "wrong" with him, assuming you are in general agreement with the consensus GOP position of lower taxes, an interventionist foreign policy, and greater legislation of "moral" issues. With some variety, all but Rand Paul seem to be in general agreement on most issues, and he's coming around day by day. If you're asking the latter, the answer is simple - he's not Jeb Bush, and therefore, he doesn't have a massive organizational and financial advantage over everyone else in the GOP field.
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Question: What's wrong with Marco Rubio?
http://gawker.com/get-to-know-marco-...for-1697567638
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I love that logo reference. I saw that logo on Monday and wondered what the fuck his people are thinking. And then his slogan is "A New American Century". Just don't Google it.
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I love that logo reference. I saw that logo on Monday and wondered what the fuck his people are thinking. And then his slogan is "A New American Century". Just don't Google it.
Looks like a name for a moderately expensive steakhouse.
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Looks like a name for a moderately expensive steakhouse.
How about Hillary's?
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I really don't see anything wrong with Rubio's logo. So what if it resembles some other logo? There's millions of them, it's bound to remind someone of something.
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I, an informed person who cannot vote in the US elections, make my decisions on the first few seconds of seeing a candidate. Mostly I focus on how presidential they look, using not only past presidents as guidance, but fictional presidents in various films and television shows.

Until further notice, I am stumping for Martin O'Malley. Until a more presidential person comes along.

<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/O%27Malley-Portrait-2013.jpg/220px-O%27Malley-Portrait-2013.jpg">

I mean, just look at him.
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And First Gentleman Jazz!
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I just don't get the attachment of so many Democrats to Hillary, esp. feminists (who apparently just want a first woman president, no matter how badly her husband treated her).

I work with a whole office of liberal democrats and you can't criticize Hillary without getting scorn heaped on you. I remember being in a meeting with some people planning an event we were going to televise and the Hillary email story had just broken and I made an offhand remark about how her chances at getting the nomination had just diminished and one woman leaped down my throat and insisted that Hillary had done nothing wrong and everyone at the State Dept. did it that way, etc. Touchy, touchy.

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I really don't see anything wrong with Rubio's logo. So what if it resembles some other logo? There's millions of them, it's bound to remind someone of something.
The colors. The typeface. The I dotted with the US. The effete lowercase design choice. You name it.
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I just don't get the attachment of so many Democrats to Hillary, esp. feminists (who apparently just want a first woman president, no matter how badly her husband treated her).

I work with a whole office of liberal democrats and you can't criticize Hillary without getting scorn heaped on you. I remember being in a meeting with some people planning an event we were going to televise and the Hillary email story had just broken and I made an offhand remark about how her chances at getting the nomination had just diminished and one woman leaped down my throat and insisted that Hillary had done nothing wrong and everyone at the State Dept. did it that way, etc. Touchy, touchy.

I can't wait till I retire.
Proably because she has had "scandal" after scandal heaped on her all of which are never found to be true or credible. Because she worked her way from being an attorney and set it aside to be First Lady only to go back to work as a US Senator and Secretary of State. I know my wife identifies with that trajectory of success being a successful business woman herself.

Also, the right wing (and others) love to disparage by somehow making her weak or slimy by actually NOT leaving her philandering husband as if millions of marriages don't get worked through in a similar fashion.

A lot of the bullshit in the media is sensationalism or right wing backstory meant to ridicule the woman. But it's politics, so its all fair game.
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Proably because she has had "scandal" after scandal heaped on her all of which are never found to be true or credible. Because she worked her way from being an attorney and set it aside to be First Lady only to go back to work as a US Senator and Secretary of State. I know my wife identifies with that trajectory of success being a successful business woman herself.

Also, the right wing (and others) love to disparage by somehow making her weak or slimy by actually NOT leaving her philandering husband as if millions of marriages don't get worked through in a similar fashion.
1) So none of the scandals associated with Hillary have proven to be "true or credible." And who determined that?

2) "She worked her way from being an attorney and set it aside" What do you mean "worked her way from"? To what? What was she actually DOING that had to be "set aside" to be First Lady?

3) Goes "back to work as a US Senator and Secretary of State"? Ummm, didn't her tenure as First Lady have something to do with that? And not her illustrious career as a lawyer? It's not like she was headed on that particular career track before she was First Lady.

4) "As if millions of marriages don't get worked through in a similar fashion" Hmmm...did Bill and Hillary actually "work through" their marriage in this fashion? And are there millions of marriages where the wife lets her horndog husband chase anything in a skirt as long as he helps her career?
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1) So none of the scandals associated with Hillary have proven to be "true or credible." And who determined that?
What charges have been filed? What was her punishment? I'm stating the objective fact. What have you got?

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2) "She worked her way from being an attorney and set it aside" What do you mean "worked her way from"? To what? What was she actually DOING that had to be "set aside" to be First Lady?
Wikipedia is your friend not Fox News:

- first student commencement speaker at Wellesley College in 1969
- earned a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1973
- a stint as a Congressional legal counsel
- cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977
- in 1978, she became the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
- in 1979, the first female partner at Rose Law Firm
- The National Law Journal twice listed her as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
- sat on the board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations

Nah, she didn't set anything aside.

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3) Goes "back to work as a US Senator and Secretary of State"? Ummm, didn't her tenure as First Lady have something to do with that? And not her illustrious career as a lawyer? It's not like she was headed on that particular career track before she was First Lady.
See above. Also, see video below.

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4) "As if millions of marriages don't get worked through in a similar fashion" Hmmm...did Bill and Hillary actually "work through" their marriage in this fashion? And are there millions of marriages where the wife lets her horndog husband chase anything in a skirt as long as he helps her career?
That's quite a loaded and biased question. Yes, there are millions of women that either allow their husbands to stray or accept and forgive their husbands' mistakes. Either camp HRC is in is none of my business. That is giving short shrift to her abilities and accomplishments in favor of some projected gender role.



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Wikipedia is your friend not Fox News:

- first student commencement speaker at Wellesley College in 1969
- earned a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1973
- a stint as a Congressional legal counsel
- cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977
- in 1978, she became the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
- in 1979, the first female partner at Rose Law Firm
- The National Law Journal twice listed her as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
- sat on the board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
Does that resume impress anybody but other lawyers? And you.
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Does that resume impress anybody but other lawyers? And you.
They also seemed to have dried up long before she became the first lady. So I think your original question is still valid.
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Hillary didn't leave a tip at Chipotle.

Hillary's first campaign stop was staged.


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Chipotle Manager: Hillary Clinton Didn't Leave Anything in Tip Jar

April 15, 2015

One of the great political mysteries of the early 2016 presidential campaign has been solved: Hillary Clinton did not leave a tip at the Chipotle restaurant she visited during her road trip to Iowa on Sunday.

"Her bill was $20 and some change, and they paid with $21 and left" without putting anything in a tip jar on the counter, Charles Wright, the manager at the Maumee, Ohio, Chipotle restaurant told Bloomberg.

Wearing large sunglasses, Clinton wasn't recognized by any of the workers at the fast-food Mexican chain when she and Huma Abedin, the vice chairwoman of her presidential campaign, ordered a chicken burrito bowl, a chicken salad, a blackberry Izzy, and a soda.

"The other lady paid the bill," Wright said of one of Clinton's dark-haired companions. "Clinton didn't pay."

The incognito campaigners entered the Chipotle shortly after 1 p.m., "at the end of the lunch rush," Wright, 29, said. "There were still a bunch of customers, but it wasn't crazy or anything."

The change from the meal totaled less than a dollar, but it was pocketed rather than deposited in the tip jar as many customers at the restaurant do, Wright said.

"We get a bunch of tips," said Wright, who is a Republican and says he isn't planning on voting for Clinton. "If we're doing our job right, people tip."

The question of whether Clinton had tipped the workers during the Chipotle stop was first asked by conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday.

"But I would like to know if she left anything in the tip jar, because that would be an indication that she understands the average, ordinary, everyman that she seeks to represent," Limbaugh said. "I mean, that's where the people that work at Chipotle, that's where they make a little extra, in the tip jar, and I haven't heard a word about whether or not she visited the tip jar, whether she put anything in it or not."

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...chauffeur.html

Campaign staff DROVE 'ordinary' Iowans to Hillary's first campaign stop - including health care 'lobbyist in training' who was an Obama campaign intern and Biden chauffeur

April 15, 2015

Austin Bird sat for coffee on Tuesday morning in the town of LeClaire, Iowa, chatting with Hillary Clinton as photographers snapped pictures

News reports called him a 'student' and her campaign called it an unscripted event

But Clinton's Iowa political director Troy Price drove Bird and two other people to the coffee house

Bird is a hospital government relations official who interned with Barack
Obama's 2012 presidential campaign

The Iowa Democratic Party, which Price ran until a month ago, tasked him to be Joe Biden's driver during an October Senate campaign trip in Davenport


Hillary Clinton's astroturf candidacy is in full swing in Iowa.

Her Tuesday morning visit to a coffee shop in LeClaire, Iowa was staged from beginning to end, according to Austin Bird, one of the men pictured sitting at the table with Mrs. Clinton.

Bird told Daily Mail Online that campaign staffer Troy Price called and asked him and two other young people to meet him Tuesday morning at a restaurant in Davenport, a nearby city.

Price then drove them to the coffee house to meet Clinton after vetting them for about a half-hour.

The three got the lion's share of Mrs. Clinton's time and participated in what breathless news reports described as a 'roundtable' the first of many in her brief Iowa campaign swing.

Bird himself is a frequent participant in Iowa Democratic Party events. He interned with President Obama's 2012 presidential re-election campaign, and was tapped to chauffeur Vice President Joe Biden in October 2014 when he visited Davenport.

'What happened is, we were just asked to be there by Troy,' Bird said Wednesday in a phone interview.

'We were asked to come to a meeting with Troy, the three of us, at the Village Inn.'

The other two, he confirmed, were University of Iowa College Democrats president Carter Bell and Planned Parenthood of the Heartland employee Sara Sedlacek.

'It was supposed to be a strategy meeting,' Bird recalled, 'to get our thoughts about issues. But then all of a sudden he says, "Hey, we have Secretary Clinton coming in, would you like to go meet her?"'

'And then we got in a car Troy's car and we went up to the coffee house, and we sat at a table and then Hillary just came up and talked with us.'

Bird said 'we all were called.'

'I mean, Troy asked us all to do to go to a meeting with him. And we didn't really know what it was about. I mean, he did. He knew.'

It's unclear how many Iowans featured in photographs with Clinton that rocketed around the country on Tuesday were planted.

'The mayor of LeClaire was there, and his wife was there,' Bird said, recalling the scene at the coffee shop.

Price was executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party until a month ago. Clinton's team tapped him last week to be its political director in Iowa.

He did not respond to a request for comment.

Bird is a government and community relations coordinator at Genesis Health System in Davenport, Iowa, according to his LinkedIn profile.

A coworker at Genesis said Wednesday that Bird is 'basically a lobbyist in training. That's what he wants to do.'

Bird disagreed, saying his role was 'more public relations.'

He's also an outspoken progressive whose Facebook wall shows he ordered a 'Hillary For President' bumper sticker 22 months ago. 'Is it 2016 yet?' he wrote in May 2013.

Clinton's nascent campaign has carefully coordinated her image as a spontaneous, handshaking populist in her first days as a candidate, posing with Pennsylvanians at a gas station and venturing into an Ohio Chipotle restaurant for lunch.

When no one recognized the former first lady she was wearing sunglasses the campaign leaked information to The New York Times so its reporters could get security-camera footage to prove she had tried to mingle with voters.

Scripting supposedly off-the-cuff appearances is common in presidential politics but could hurt Clinton especially hard since her gonzo road-trip journey to America's broad midwest is designed to counter her image as cold, calculating and politically venomous.

And planting party insiders in place of typical Iowans won't go over well in the Hawkeye State, where pressing the flesh and collecting caucus votes is a quadrennial full-contact sport.

Clinton's campaign has already taken heat for depicting at least three people in her campaign launch video as 'everyday' Americans who were actually partisans with political connections.

One was even a former campaign manager for Wendy Davis, the Texas Democrat who mounted a failed bid for Texas governor last year.

In LeClaire on Tuesday, Bloomberg and other outlets referred to Bird as a 'student' at St. Ambrose University, not as a hospital government-affairs staffer with Democratic party street-cred.

He does study at St. Ambrose part-time.

But Bird's ties to the party are deep enough that his Facebook wall includes a photo of him standing in front of Joe Biden's limousine in Davenport.

'I was driving the Vice President when he was in town in October,' Bird noted in a Facebook comment.

Biden was not there on official government business, but for a campaign stop in support of Democrat Bruce Braley.

'The Vice President will attend a grassroots event for Braley for Iowa with Representative David Loebsack,' according to White House press guidance for his October 27, 2014 schedule.
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Who gives a shit if Hillary tipped at a Chipotle?
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Who gives a shit if Hillary tipped at a Chipotle?
Three guesses...
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Wait, what? We're supposed to tip at Chipotle?

I hate that people in this country are expected to tip all the time. If any presidential candidate wants to do something to change that, they've got my vote.
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I have never tipped at Chipotle.
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I have never tipped at Chipotle.
Me neither. I only tip if I am waited on at my table. Fuck tip jars.

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