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Old 04-21-16, 03:09 PM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Now with more pics & less abortion!

And in another poll, 92% of Trump supporters are liars.
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread: Now with more pics & less abortion!

Hilarious

Ted Cruz lost a New York district to Ben Carson, who’s not even running

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Sigh again. You should have spent the time researching those links on what you actually wanted to know.

Poll: Only Half of Non-Trump Republican Voters Would Support Him in General Election
@ sigh again.

Here's one. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-cli...143030280.html

68% can't see themselves supporting Trump, 58% can't see themselves supporting Hillary. Is there where that confidence comes from?
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Vice President Joe Biden said he prefers the big-thinking campaign style of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to the pragmatic approach of Hillary Clinton.

Fairly odd to come out at this point. I assume he isn't going to try to run for office again.
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Hillary's PAC is going to spend $1,000,000 to have people "correct" commenters on social media. I think CRM may be building his resume.

Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.


Oh, and candidates have no influence or coordination with PACs, and money has no influence on politicians. We all know that. It would be illegal.
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Vice President Joe Biden said he prefers the big-thinking campaign style of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders to the pragmatic approach of Hillary Clinton.
That's because he's a misogynist.
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Please don't post my graphs out of context; it makes me really unhappy.

Just because Clinton (or Trump) is really unpopular doesn't mean she (or he) is unpopular among members of her (or his) party, and we can safely assume that partisans will not defect and probably won't abstain from voting. Based on the graph below that might be a safer assumption for Democrats than Republicans.

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Trump: U.S. better off ignoring the Middle East

If we did, I think fewer of our soldiers would die. I could see where in the general Trump could pull this off. Tell people he did what he had to do to get the nomination and get the base going. But it was always, ultimately about preaching about how the system is fixed, and what a retched old whore Hillary is, and how (and I think this might actually be true) Trump is really a populist just like Clinton, and now that the voting populace includes left leaning people, he might start to come their way on things. I did see he said TG people should use whichever bathroom they want. He might even blame antics on trying to show the media for what it is, no longer trustworthy, blah, blah, blah.

I don't actually believe any of that. I think Trump is a narcissist that would use the office to try to show the people who are wealthier than him how he is still the top dog. I honestly do. But I do see ways he could turn this and win in theory if he were half as smart as he thinks he is.

edit: Trump is also against the TPP. I know some will point out that Hillary is as well, but she is on record so often praising it and nationally she isn't well trusted.

Too bad he's a moron.

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Wretched old whore not retched old whore. Come on, spell your ad hominem attacks right.
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Maybe he was referring to vomit, and not an "unfortunate state". Because HRC is not unfortunate. She is very fortunate. But she does make many vomit.
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I'm sure there are hard numbers if you want to look for them. But I'm astounded that you think there is a large, measurable groundswell of Democrats who refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton.
I'm one of them, but I'm having a hard time finding others. So, yeah, not much of a groundswell. But we're talking faithful Democrats/party regulars, not independents or the young voters who only show up when there's a candidate who galvanizes them like Bill Clinton or Obama. I know a lot of Bernie supporters, God help them, but I don't yet know that any will refuse to vote for HRC.
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Just because Clinton (or Trump) is really unpopular doesn't mean she (or he) is unpopular among members of her (or his) party, and we can safely assume that partisans will not defect and probably won't abstain from voting. Based on the graph below that might be a safer assumption for Democrats than Republicans.
I find it ironic that the two people with the absolute worst poll numbers in history regarding honesty, trustworthiness, and truthfulness are the two leaders right now.
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I find it ironic that the two people with the absolute worst poll numbers in history regarding honesty, trustworthiness, and truthfulness are the two leaders right now.
Ironic? Maybe. I think it might be more a sign of the times, in that partisans are now more likely to not just vehemently disagree with politicians from the other party, but also dislike them as people. Are either Clinton or Trump less trustworthy than Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon? Almost certainly not.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
Just because Clinton (or Trump) is really unpopular doesn't mean she (or he) is unpopular among members of her (or his) party, and we can safely assume that partisans will not defect and probably won't abstain from voting. Based on the graph below that might be a safer assumption for Democrats than Republicans.

<img width = 900 src = "http://i.imgur.com/R5lerNC.png"></img>
If Sanders supporters feel like the DNC worked against their candidate if/when Clinton gets the nomination and they feel that her outreach to them for their support is not sincere do you think they will enthusiastically support her in the general election? Like Clinton supporters enthusiastically supporting Obama in 2008?
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Old 04-22-16, 07:29 AM
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And VP Biden doesn't sound all that enthused either...
Bernie Sanders Cites New York Times Interview with Joe Biden to Attack Hillary Clinton
By Josh Haskell
Apr 22, 2016, 12:38 AM ET

In an interview published in "The New York Times" Thursday, Vice President Joe Biden hinted at preferring presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders' style of campaigning, rather than Hillary Clinton's.

Although Biden has pledged to stay neutral during the democratic primary season, Sanders wasted no time pointing out the vice president's flattering words at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania Thursday night.

“Let me begin by reading to you something very interesting," Sanders said, looking down at the podium. "I just saw it a few minutes ago,”

Sanders then proceeded to read the article to the 1,500 supporters who had gathered to hear him speak: "Quote, 'he’ll [Biden] take Mr. Sanders’s aspirational approach over Mrs. Clinton's caution any day. Quote, 'I like the idea of saying we can do much more because we can, Mr. Biden said in an interview.' I quote, 'I don’t think any democrat ever won saying,' quote, 'we can’t think that big we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic, he said in a mocking tone.'"

Sanders also repeated the line in a mocking tone, which is similar to his plea during his speeches for voters to "think big." Sanders then paused and looked out at the crowd, who will vote in Pennsylvania's primary Tuesday, mentioning the town of Scranton where he campaigned earlier in the day.

"I think the vice president -- born and raised in Scranton -- I think the vice president is exactly right," Sanders said. "That is what this campaign is about.”

Sanders mentioned the article three more times during his Oaks, Pennsylvania, stump speech and it will likely become a staple on the campaign trail. Biden's language in "The New York Times" piece not only sounded like Sanders on the campaign trail, it endorsed Sanders' way of thinking.

Biden told "The New York Times," “Presidents have always been told by really smart people: ‘Don’t push something that you can’t succeed in —- it diminishes your power.'"

Added Biden, “I completely disagree with that proposition.”
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@ sigh again.

Here's one. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-cli...143030280.html

68% can't see themselves supporting Trump, 58% can't see themselves supporting Hillary. Is there where that confidence comes from?
That polls all registered voters. Of course half the people (Repubs) can't see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton - they couldn't see themselves voting for a resurrected JFK either if he was running.
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Ironic? Maybe. I think it might be more a sign of the times, in that partisans are now more likely to not just vehemently disagree with politicians from the other party, but also dislike them as people. Are either Clinton or Trump less trustworthy than Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon? Almost certainly not.
You gave yourself an out with the "almost" qualifier.

I see it as politics reaching its zenith. Truth and integrity were never highly valued in politics... this election cycle has demonstrated that it now has NO value.

As bad as Johnson and Nixon were, I can't recall them saying "X" then saying "not X" and flat out denying that they ever said "X" in the first place. Yeah, there might be some spin and parsing to try to explain why when they said "X" it really wasn't "X"... but a flat out denial, not that I can recall.

Trump does it on a regular basis.
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That polls all registered voters. Of course half the people (Repubs) can't see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton - they couldn't see themselves voting for a resurrected JFK either if he was running.
So Republicans are half of the population now and not 29%? That leaves about 29% that must be indies or Dems. You and I should agree that those are just the Obama Bros. Wait, new election, you and I should agree that those are just the Bernie Bros. Maybe the idea is she can reproduce that Bill Clinton magic and become President with nearly 44% of the country voting for her?

Personally, I think her transparency will win people over and get those numbers up to 45%.

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Listen to this moran

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So Republicans are half of the population now and not 29%? That leaves about 29% that must be indies or Dems. You and I should agree that those are just the Obama Bros. Wait, new election, you and I should agree that those are just the Bernie Bros. Maybe the idea is she can reproduce that Bill Clinton magic and become President with nearly 44% of the country voting for her?

Personally, I think her transparency will win people over and get those numbers up to 45%.

2012
OBama 51%
Willard 47%

2008
OBama 52%
Palin 46%

2004
Bush 51%
Kerry 48%

2000
Bush 48%
Gore 48%


Yes, Republican voters have made up approximately 50% of every recent election.
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okay. So BernieBros are Democrats after all?

If Kasich somehow gets the nomination, will Hillary release her speeches to Wall Streat? He doesnt have any paid speeches to release.

Have they told you how to spin that on social media yet?
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Yes, they are Democrats and most of them, including myself, will choose Hillary Clinton over Trump enthusiastically. I'd LOVE to get paid to do this.
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I'd LOVE to get paid to do this.
Excellent, keep up the illusion that you aren't.
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Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

It's a pretty good article. Like talking to young earthers and birthers. The money that my love brings in is good. The money the Republicans bring in is bad. It is right and holy that my savior should not be held to a higher standard than Republicans on releasing speeches. All good will flow from her and her brave plan of status quo.

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I've always wondered if there even were transcripts to Hillary's speeches. I guess there must be because that would've been the obvious answer otherwise. Are all of her speeches transcribed? Or just certain ones? Are they recorded and transcribed later?

For those lathered up in a "RELEASE THE TRANSCRIPTS!!!!" fervor, are all speeches fair game for public consumption? Or just paid speeches? What's the standard?
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