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Old 07-30-15, 08:13 AM
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Don't we already have that tax rule? Short term vs long term capital gains. I never sell a stock in the first year.
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A menage a trois?

I am waiting for Katy Perry to take a selfie with a 2016 presidential candidate before I cast my ballot.

Assuming that is Bush's hand on her shoulder. No sign of Clinton's.

(Or Perry's, for that matter)
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Don't we already have that tax rule? Short term vs long term capital gains. I never sell a stock in the first year.
Who cares about capital gains taxes? What really matters is who can do the most pull-ups!

When I was a kid my parents always told me that, with my intelligence, I could easily be president if I wanted to badly enough. I now realize this was an insult, not a compliment.
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Who cares about capital gains taxes? What really matters is who can do the most pull-ups!

When I was a kid my parents always told me that, with my intelligence, I could easily be president if I wanted to badly enough. I now realize this was an insult, not a compliment.
And yet, we're going to keep hearing stories about how Donald Trump is so ridiculous, and why can't he just get out of the race so we can focus on the serious candidates.
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He's a side show attraction. Even the actual polls that show him going up against other people show him to do worse than the other candidates. My co-worker thinks Trump will get the nomination. I believe he'll be out before the nomination is given. $10 is $10.
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Barring an actual scandal involving HRC, she is a stone cold mortal lock for the nomination.
I agree. The Democrats have decided to commit suicide in 2016 by giving the nomination to their version of Bob Dole, and they aren't going to let anyone talk them out of it.
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Amateurs. Real Philly fans would have thrown batteries at him and then puked on him.
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He's a side show attraction. Even the actual polls that show him going up against other people show him to do worse than the other candidates. My co-worker thinks Trump will get the nomination. I believe he'll be out before the nomination is given. $10 is $10.
Yeah, it's weird. Some of the Trump supporters are in a hilarious bubble that think he will most definitely get the nomination.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
He's a side show attraction. Even the actual polls that show him going up against other people show him to do worse than the other candidates. My co-worker thinks Trump will get the nomination. I believe he'll be out before the nomination is given. $10 is $10.
He is a sideshow attraction, but my point is that so are Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and most of the other cast of characters running. Nobody tut-tuts when Rick Perry gets coverage because he was Governor of Texas, but the reality is that he's just as much a nonsensical cartoon as Trump.
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Agreed
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He is a sideshow attraction, but my point is that so are Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, and most of the other cast of characters running. Nobody tut-tuts when Rick Perry gets coverage because he was Governor of Texas, but the reality is that he's just as much a nonsensical cartoon as Trump.
While I am inclined to agree, I can remember very vividly feeling the same way about a couple of different candidates, one from each party, in the time I've been voting.

<img width = 400 src = "https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg/800px-Official_Portrait_of_President_Reagan_1981.jpg"></img><img width = 400 src = "https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/President_Barack_Obama.jpg/800px-President_Barack_Obama.jpg"></img>

So I've learned to take the 'clown' candidates at least a little seriously.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ional-marijua/

Chris Christie vows crackdown on recreational marijuana


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has a message for people in states that have legalized recreational marijuana use: Enjoy it while you can.

“You take an oath of office,” Mr. Christie, a 2016 Republican presidential candidate, said on “Fox and Friends.” “I take one as governor; I will take one as president that says that you’ll enforce the laws — not just enforce the laws you like. You’ll enforce the laws. And marijuana is against the law in the United States and it should be enforced in all 50 states.

“The same way there are folks out there who don’t like sanctuary cities, and I agree with that — I don’t think we should have sanctuary cities, either,” he continued. “Yet the federal government’s not enforcing the immigration law in those cities. There’s becoming an ethic in this administration that they only enforce the laws that they like.”

Earlier this month, marijuana for recreational use became legal in Oregon following a November referendum. The state joined Alaska, Colorado, Washington state and the District in legalizing marijuana for recreational use.

“And so my view is, people want to change the law, let ‘em try to change it,” Mr. Christie said. “But the fact is that’s the law and the Christie administration will enforce it.”

Though polls have shown support for legalizing marijuana, Mr. Christie said he doesn’t think you lose voters by telling them you’ll enforce the law.

“If a large percentage of the people in this country want to legalize marijuana, then I assume that what will happen is Congress will go ahead and legalize it, but you cannot have it both ways,” he said. “You can’t have it where it’s a law on the books and it’s against the law and then you selectively enforce it in certain places. And that’s all I’m saying.”

“If you’re getting high in Colorado today, enjoy it,” Mr. Christie had said Tuesday during a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire, Bloomberg reported. “As of January 2017, I will enforce the federal laws.”

Mr. Christie has described marijuana as a gateway drug and has previously vowed to enforce federal marijuana laws if elected president.

He said elected officials can’t choose which statutes to enforce.

“That’s lawlessness,” he said. “If you want to change the marijuana laws, go ahead and change the national marijuana laws.”
"FROM MY DORITOS STAINED HANDS!!!!"

Any guesses on why he signed a law for medical marijuana despite the federal law? Any guesses as to why he doesn't mention medical marijuana in this article?
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While I am inclined to agree, I can remember very vividly feeling the same way about a couple of different candidates, one from each party, in the time I've been voting.

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So I've learned to take the 'clown' candidates at least a little seriously.
That's a good point, but I don't think it gives you grounds to say "Trump is a cartoonish jackass who should leave the race so we can focus on the real candidates!" while simultaneously saying "Let's talk about Mike Huckabee's views on the issues." And I'm not suggesting you're doing that, but most of the mainstream pundits are. Ignore both or treat them both as contenders, but don't pretend Huckabee is somehow more viable than Trump at this point.
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AND he cuts in line at Genos and orders a cheesesteak with American cheese and no onions. Then he ordered a 2nd cheesesteak at Pats and left it half eaten on the table for some unknown person to clean up after him. What a moran.
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Barring an actual scandal involving HRC, she is a stone cold mortal lock for the nomination.
We don't even know what an actual scandal would look like with HRC. She does a hell of a job of being inept when it comes to keeping records, but we'll just trust that she isn't inept at a job like POTUS. It is hard for me to believe than anyone sees Walker, Christie, etc. as absolute scum who will fuck everyone over for their own benefit, but not see the same about Hillary.
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It is hard for me to believe than anyone sees Walker, Christie, etc. as absolute scum who will fuck everyone over for their own benefit, but not see the same about Hillary.
Oh, I'm sure you could see the (D)ifference if you tried.
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We don't even know what an actual scandal would look like with HRC. She does a hell of a job of being inept when it comes to keeping records, but we'll just trust that she isn't inept at a job like POTUS. It is hard for me to believe than anyone sees Walker, Christie, etc. as absolute scum who will fuck everyone over for their own benefit, but not see the same about Hillary.
First of all, I need to point out that I agree with CRM114, there's no way Clinton doesn't get the nomination, barring a total catastrophe. I also doubt I need to restate my feelings about her (they are somewhat less than positive, 'nuff said.)

So, this morning, as I was drinking my coffee and reading The Wall Street Journal, I started thinking about conservative pundits, columnists, and commentators, and their attacks on Hillary Clinton, which these days focus mainly on Benghazi and the email controversy. Now, whatever the merits of those criticisms - personally, I think the former are exaggerated and the latter are most certainly not - I began to wonder what these columnists expect to get from their efforts. Obviously, first and foremost, they get paid for column inches and page views, and write things critical of Clinton to appeal to right-wing readers who enjoy reading criticisms of her. And that's fine, that's how these things work. But beyond that, what's the point? If you're a voter who likes the Affordable Care Act, thinks that the Iran nuclear deal is a good idea, favors marriage equality, and wants the federal minimum wage increased (to name but four issues), what are your choices? Are you going to think to yourself, "Scott Walker opposes every political value I hold dear, but Hillary Clinton's a bit sleazy, so I'm voting for the Republican."?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Maybe these conservative commentators are convincing otherwise reliable Democratic voters to stay home or vote third party, but given how generally alike the GOP field is on most major issues, and how dissimilar the two parties are on the same issues, I doubt the efficacy of these criticisms of Clinton. You could probably say the same thing of left-wing editorials and their criticism of the GOP candidates, but at this point we don't know who their nominee will be, so there's a major asymmetry to the process.
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We don't even know what an actual scandal would look like with HRC. She does a hell of a job of being inept when it comes to keeping records, but we'll just trust that she isn't inept at a job like POTUS. It is hard for me to believe than anyone sees Walker, Christie, etc. as absolute scum who will fuck everyone over for their own benefit, but not see the same about Hillary.
I see her that way too - but in a more weird awkward way - her obvious pandering is what bothers me the most - I don't even know what she really stands for.
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First of all, I need to point out that I agree with CRM114, there's no way Clinton doesn't get the nomination, barring a total catastrophe. I also doubt I need to restate my feelings about her (they are somewhat less than positive, 'nuff said.)

So, this morning, as I was drinking my coffee and reading The Wall Street Journal, I started thinking about conservative pundits, columnists, and commentators, and their attacks on Hillary Clinton, which these days focus mainly on Benghazi and the email controversy. Now, whatever the merits of those criticisms - personally, I think the former are exaggerated and the latter are most certainly not - I began to wonder what these columnists expect to get from their efforts. Obviously, first and foremost, they get paid for column inches and page views, and write things critical of Clinton to appeal to right-wing readers who enjoy reading criticisms of her. And that's fine, that's how these things work. But beyond that, what's the point? If you're a voter who likes the Affordable Care Act, thinks that the Iran nuclear deal is a good idea, favors marriage equality, and wants the federal minimum wage increased (to name but four issues), what are your choices? Are you going to think to yourself, "Scott Walker opposes every political value I hold dear, but Hillary Clinton's a bit sleazy, so I'm voting for the Republican."?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Maybe these conservative commentators are convincing otherwise reliable Democratic voters to stay home or vote third party, but given how generally alike the GOP field is on most major issues, and how dissimilar the two parties are on the same issues, I doubt the efficacy of these criticisms of Clinton. You could probably say the same thing of left-wing editorials and their criticism of the GOP candidates, but at this point we don't know who their nominee will be, so there's a major asymmetry to the process.
What do you think of Sanders? I'm not referring to his chances as you have made your opinion on that clear, but as a politician.
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What do you think of Sanders?
Not to be wishy-washy, but I think he has some good and bad points. He certainly seems genuine enough, and more like a real person than nearly everyone else running. (But I guess Donald Trump seems like a real person, too, just not one I'd ever want to meet.) Aside from Sanders' age and religion, he really seems wholly unsuited to connecting with minority voters at all, which isn't the sort of thing you want in a Democrat running for national office. Also, aside from other programmatic differences I might have with him, I'm very troubled by his emerging opposition to immigration. That just strikes me as slightly ugly in a way that is incongruent with everything else I know about him.
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Also, aside from other programmatic differences I might have with him, I'm very troubled by his emerging opposition to immigration. That just strikes me as slightly ugly in a way that is incongruent with everything else I know about him.
Seems to me that's the logical flip side to his opposition to free trade. If it's bad for American workers to have to compete with workers in other countries on a level playing field, then it's just as bad if those workers come here. Like a lot of Socialists, his understanding of international economics is mired in 18th Century Mercantilism.
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Barring an actual scandal involving HRC, she is a stone cold mortal lock for the nomination.
I heard this around the same time in 2007. As soon as a decent alternative came around she was dropped like a smelly diaper.
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I heard this around the same time in 2007.
Things are much different for the Democrats in 2015 than they were in 2007.
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Nobody tut-tuts when Rick Perry gets coverage because he was Governor of Texas, but the reality is that he's just as much a nonsensical cartoon as Trump.
Maybe pre-glasses Perry. But post-glasses Perry is very smart, very serious.
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Seems to me that's the logical flip side to his opposition to free trade. If it's bad for American workers to have to compete with workers in other countries on a level playing field, then it's just as bad if those workers come here. Like a lot of Socialists, his understanding of international economics is mired in 18th Century Mercantilism.
Yes, I assume it stems from the same philosophy that causes him to oppose free trade, and it's certainly true that Sanders is in many ways an economic populist, but beyond the pure economics of the opposition to immigration, i.e., how it adds surplus labor to the market and deflates wages, the human element of it is what surprises me a bit.
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