The 2016 Presidential Election thread - it's over? edition
#2802
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Try to put yourself in the mindset of this time, 2007, when Clinton was "inevitable" and Obama was a pipedream. Crazy shit does happen.
#2804
DVD Talk Limited Edition
#2806
Moderator
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
#2807
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Obama was polling over 20% in July 2007, and Clinton had not racked up the endorsements then like she has now.
#2808
Moderator
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
That proves nothing, as Clinton had more than double Obama's numbers then, and Bernie Sanders has the same 22% now as Obama did then. Clinton's at around 55% right now, but she's slowly dropping numbers while Sanders is slowly gaining. I'm not saying he's going to win or anything, but calling it a fantasy and "not the real world" is ignoring history.
In the book “The Party Decides” (2008), the most comprehensive study of the invisible primary, the political scientists Marty Cohen, David Karol, Hans Noel and John Zaller evaluated data on endorsements made in presidential nomination contests between 1980 and 2004 and found that “early endorsements in the invisible primary are the most important cause of candidate success in the state primaries and caucuses.”
Endorsements aren’t a foolproof predictor. In 2008 , more Democrats initially endorsed Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama (although Obama had some support). Still, a steady flow of endorsements for Obama after his early successes in states like Iowa and South Carolina helped to signal that he was an acceptable choice among party elites and presaged his success in other states.
In the 2016 election cycle, the Democratic and Republican races look very different. Hillary Clinton had a commanding lead in endorsements even before launching her campaign — to an extent that’s unprecedented for a non-incumbent Democrat. But Republican insiders have been slow to rally behind a candidate.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ement-primary/
Endorsements aren’t a foolproof predictor. In 2008 , more Democrats initially endorsed Hillary Clinton than Barack Obama (although Obama had some support). Still, a steady flow of endorsements for Obama after his early successes in states like Iowa and South Carolina helped to signal that he was an acceptable choice among party elites and presaged his success in other states.
In the 2016 election cycle, the Democratic and Republican races look very different. Hillary Clinton had a commanding lead in endorsements even before launching her campaign — to an extent that’s unprecedented for a non-incumbent Democrat. But Republican insiders have been slow to rally behind a candidate.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ement-primary/
#2809
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Hey, you better not be discounting rapper Killer Mike's endorsement of Sanders, you better not!!!
#2810
DVD Talk Limited Edition
#2811
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
I can only assume a Bush VS Clinton ticket is an open invitation from the ultra-elite to start a revolution. Which will drive down markets short-term. And that's great positioning to profit from all of this.
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#2817
DVD Talk Hero
#2820
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Yes, as a matter of fact, I had a conversation with Penn and Teller once (name drop!) and Teller talked. Quite a bit actually though, of course, not as much as Penn. No one can out-talk Penn.
#2821
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
A menage a trois?
I am waiting for Katy Perry to take a selfie with a 2016 presidential candidate before I cast my ballot.
I am waiting for Katy Perry to take a selfie with a 2016 presidential candidate before I cast my ballot.

#2822
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Last edited by CRM114; 07-30-15 at 08:04 AM.
#2823
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
To me the worst offense is cutting in front of the line...I don't care who you are, you wait in line like everyone else. It also doesn't help you promote an image that you are one with the voters.
#2824
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
That proves nothing, as Clinton had more than double Obama's numbers then, and Bernie Sanders has the same 22% now as Obama did then. Clinton's at around 55% right now, but she's slowly dropping numbers while Sanders is slowly gaining. I'm not saying he's going to win or anything, but calling it a fantasy and "not the real world" is ignoring history.
#2825
Banned
Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread
Any thoughts from DVDTalk economists on Clinton's idea to tax capital gains at regular rates (as in for individual income) for first two years and then decreasing them on a sliding scale to encourage investors to keep their money in a company for a longer term rather than making a quick buck & getting out?