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Old 10-31-16, 09:16 AM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread - it's over? edition

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I don't even know what you think you're on about when it comes to ACORN, but pretty much every allegation the right leveled against them was discredited.
ACORN is still a big buzzword. In fact, I see this almost every day on Twitter from Trump people who actually think it is REAL. This is the most fake document I've ever seen but they are too dumb to realize it.



Thats the difference this year I think. Way too many people have access to information on the internet they truly do not understand or that is blatantly false and they don't understand that.
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Old 10-31-16, 09:19 AM
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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread - it's over? edition

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ACORN is still a big buzzword. In fact, I see this almost every day on Twitter from Trump people who actually think it is REAL. This is the most fake document I've ever seen but they are too dumb to realize it.



Thats the difference this year I think. Way too many people have access to information on the internet they truly do not understand or that is blatantly false and they don't understand that.
Of course that document is fake. There's no section for "Voting Machine Tampering", silly.
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Old 10-31-16, 09:20 AM
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Getting down to the wire. I expected the polls would start to tighten as undecideds and defectors start to come home (this would likely benefit Trump more). The lack of a consistent pattern is interesting:

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Old 10-31-16, 09:22 AM
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Thats the difference this year I think. Way too many people have access to information on the internet they truly do not understand or that is blatantly false and they don't understand that.
Yeah, it's amazing how many people link to sites like Breitbart, Gateway Pundit or Zero Hedge, then get offended when you ask for a real source. Being the year of false equivalencies, they'll end up telling you that CNN isn't real news and therefore their story about Obama busing immigrants up from Mexico is totally trustworthy.
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Old 10-31-16, 09:26 AM
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She didn't say the election was rigged at all, and to even suggest that is a huge leap.
So what is the implication, then, especially with the raised eyebrows, wink-wink, nudge nudge smile, and nodding to the boos of her supporters?

If she's not suggesting something suspiciously fishy going on, please explain the "pretty strange" and "deeply troubling" descriptions she used.

Let's not be naive about this.

No, she didn't blatantly lie as Harry "Shameless" Reid did when he lied on the floor of Congress about Romney's "not paying taxes." And then smirking about it when confronted later by smugly excusing the lie by saying, "Well, he didn't get elected, did he?"

(This is the same Harry Reid who now says that Comey may have committed a crime by making the announcement Friday. Really credible source of unbiased opinion, that Harry.)

It's the new role model for future generations...the ends justify the means. And calls for integrity are just the sour grapes of losers.


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Old 10-31-16, 09:29 AM
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Of course that document is fake. There's no section for "Voting Machine Tampering", silly.
Thats covered by the "Voter Suppression" section, I guess. Evan McMullin is leading that covert campaign.
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Old 10-31-16, 09:38 AM
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This election is like a TV series preparing for cancellation, with the writers trying to wrap up every loose end and bring back every notable guest star in the last six episodes. We've had the return of Julian Assange, Anthony Weiner, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, and now, it's the girl from the Daisy ad.

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Old 10-31-16, 09:39 AM
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Ms. Clinton sounds as though she's signaling to supporters that the election may be rigged!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us...iner.html?_r=0
I agree on that this is not unprecedented on elections. But that's not really close to saying the elections are rigged.
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Old 10-31-16, 09:55 AM
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nando & groucho, I think you're missing the sarcasm (even with the !!! and added to make it clear).

Sanders uses the word "rigged" to describe the DNC's favoritism shown toward Clinton during the primaries. <b>Yet he's not calling for an armed insurrection.</b>

Clinton says (repeatedly) that Comey's announcement is "pretty strange" and "deeply troubling" (Question: Why?). Her surrogates (Mook, Podesta, etc.) are much more direct in saying that the announcement seems timed to influence the election results (very similar language to the wikileaks accusations toward "the Russians"). <b>Yet they're not calling for an armed insurrection.</b>

“By providing selective information, he has allowed partisans to distort and exaggerate to inflict maximum political damage,” Mr. Podesta said during a conference call with reporters. “Comey has not been forthcoming with the facts,” he added, describing the director’s letter to Congress on Friday as “long on innuendo.”

Trump says that the media is all against him and voter fraud is a cause for concern and that if he loses, it will be because the election is rigged. <b>Of course he's calling for an armed insurrection.</b>

If Clinton is not implying that dirty tricks are being played against her, what other possible credible interpretation can be applied to both her & her surrogates' remarks?

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Old 10-31-16, 09:57 AM
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Citation needed: When did Bernie Sanders (not his supporters) say the election was "rigged"?
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Old 10-31-16, 09:58 AM
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Citation needed: when did Bernie Sanders (not his supporters) say the election was rigged?
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Old 10-31-16, 10:00 AM
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Trump's use of the word "rigged" is implying that votes will be physically tampered with to make him lose (even though he won).

Clinton's comments about Comey are pointing out that this appears to be much ado about nothing but just using the word "email" and "investigation" is enough to get Trump and his surrogates all riled up.
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Old 10-31-16, 10:06 AM
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And let's not forget that the only provable attempts to rig this election have come from Republicans trying to limit early voting in heavily Democratic neighborhoods. Everything Trump says on the subject in innuendo based upon absolutely nothing.
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Old 10-31-16, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Citation needed: When did Bernie Sanders (not his supporters) say the election was "rigged"?
You're right, Groucho, in that he didn't use the word "rigged" (in fact, he denied that after the primaries were over & said that the process was "dumb" due to the superdelegate system which "severly disadvantaged" his campaign. Saying that the deck was stacked against him is not the same as using the word "rigged.") So thank you for the correction, and I apologize and retract the inaccuracy. Those were flowers on the tarmac, not bullets!

But here is what Sanders did say after Wasserman-Schultz resigned. If you can parse those words to mean anything other than saying that the system was manipulated in favor of another candidate (regardless of whether the "r" word was used), please do so.

<b>"It goes without saying the function of the DNC," Sanders said, "is to represent all of the candidates to be fair and even-minded."</b>

Sanders also called the emails an "outrage" and "sad" but also said they do not come as "a great shock." He believes that the DNC was "at opposition to our campaign" all along, he said Sunday morning.

"<b>I mean, there's no question to my mind and I think no question to any objective observer's mind that the DNC was supporting Hillary Clinton, and was at opposition to our campaign</b>," Sanders said.


When you say that your party leaders are actively favoring one of their candidates over the others and doing all they could to help that candidate win, a lot of people consider that to be "rigging" of a type. Maybe showing extreme favoritism isn't as strong as "rigging" in that they were not changing votes, disposing of ballots, etc., but it's not treating the candidates equally...which is what Sanders said.

At any rate, I remembered Sanders using the "rigged" word when discussing how the system had disadvantaged him but forgot the context and incorrectly attributed the use of the word.


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Re: The 2016 Presidential Election thread - it's over? edition

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Citation needed: When did Bernie Sanders (not his supporters) say the election was "rigged"?
Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
Citation needed: when did Bernie Sanders (not his supporters) say the election was rigged?
When even the moderator double posts, you know we're in trouble.
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Old 10-31-16, 10:32 AM
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Yeah, the forums been wonky for me lately and sometimes "sticks" when I submit a reply.

Anyway, there's a big difference between the DNC favoring Clinton and actually rigging the election for her.
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Yeah, the forums been wonky for me lately and sometimes "sticks" when I submit a reply.
Same for me. It sticks, then it acts like I'm trying to post twice - but only in this thread, probably because it's so many more pages than all the other threads.
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Old 10-31-16, 10:51 AM
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Anyway, there's a big difference between the DNC favoring Clinton and actually rigging the election for her.
Every Democrat knew (or should have known) that Hillary Clinton was going to be the nominee. The DNC favoring Clinton as the next in line didn't cause CA and PA and NY to overwhelmingly vote for her over Sanders.
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Part 2 thread due to the technical issues with this one: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-po...d-edition.html
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Every Democrat knew (or should have known) that Hillary Clinton was going to be the nominee. The DNC favoring Clinton as the next in line didn't cause CA and PA and NY to overwhelmingly vote for her over Sanders.
Should have known? Sure, but Sanders seemed to have appealed to a subset of voters who were ignorant of the nomination process.
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