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Old 09-17-12, 01:14 PM
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Things not looking good between China and Japan


‘In everybody’s interest’ for Japan, China to maintain good relations, Panetta says as Beijing launches flotilla of 1,000 fishing boats to disputed islands

ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT —*U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta’s trip to China has been extended by a day and will include meetings with Vice President Xi Jinping as the world’s second largest economy enters into an increasingly escalating territorial row with Japan, U.S. defense officials said on Monday.

China and Japan, which generated two-way trade of $345-billion last year, are arguing over the uninhabited islets in the East China Sea, a long-standing dispute that erupted last week when the Japanese government decided to buy some of them from a private Japanese owner.

In response, China sent six surveillance ships to the area, which contains potentially large gas reserves. On Monday, a flotilla of around 1,000 Chinese fishing boats was sailing for the islands.

Panetta’s visit with Xi, China’s leader-in-waiting who canceled a recent scheduled meeting with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was confirmed only in the last couple of days after he re-emerged from having been out of the public spotlight amid health rumors.

Panetta is making the three-day trip to China at the invitation of Defense Minister Liang Guanglie, who visited the Pentagon earlier this year as well as military installations in other parts of the country.

The visit is part of U.S. and Chinese efforts to promote closer military relations and greater transparency between the two sides.

As part of that effort, Panetta will become the first U.S. defense secretary to visit the home of the Chinese navy’s North Sea fleet at Qingdao where he will tour warships and meet with cadets and the commander of the fleet, Vice Admiral Tian Zhong.

Xi is due to take over as president in March next year. He has a military role as vice chairman of the Central Military Commission and met with Panetta at the Pentagon earlier this year.

Panetta will meet Xi on Wednesday.

Panetta said in Tokyo on Monday the United States would stand by its security treaty obligations to Japan but not take sides in a protracted row with China over disputed islands and urged calm and restraint on both sides.

“It is in everybody’s interest … for Japan and China to maintain good relations and to find a way to avoid further escalation,” he told reporters.


Some major Japanese brandname firms announced factory shutdowns in China on Monday and urged expatriates to stay indoors ahead of what could be more angry protests over a territorial dispute between Asia’s two biggest economies.

China’s worst outbreak of anti-Japan sentiment in decades led to weekend demonstrations and violent attacks on well-known Japanese businesses such as car makers Toyota and Honda, forcing frightened Japanese into hiding and prompting Chinese state media to warn that trade relations could now be in jeopardy.

Another outbreak of anti-Japan sentiment is expected across China on Tuesday, the anniversary of Japan’s 1931 occupation of parts of mainland China.

“I’m not going out today and I’ve asked my Chinese boyfriend to be with me all day tomorrow,” said Sayo Morimoto, a 29-year-old Japanese graduate student at a university in Shenzhen.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the government would protect Japanese firms and citizens and called for protesters to obey the law.

“The gravely destructive consequences of Japan’s illegal purchase of the Diaoyu Islands are steadily emerging, and the responsibility for this should be born by Japan,” he told a daily news briefing. The islands, called the Senkaku by Japan and Diaoyu by China.

The weekend protests mainly targeted Japanese diplomatic missions but also shops, restaurants and car dealerships in at least five cities. Toyota Motor Corp and Honda Motor Co said arsonists had badly damaged their stores in the eastern port city of Qingdao at the weekend.

Toyota said its factories and offices were operating as normal on Monday and that it had not ordered its Japanese employees home.

Honda said it would suspend production in China starting on Tuesday for two days. Fast Retailing Co, Asia’s largest apparel retailer, said it had closed some of its Uniqlo outlets in China and may close yet more.

Japan’s top general retailer, Seven & I Holdings, said it would close 13 Ito Yokado supermarkets and 198 “7-11″ convenience stores in China on Tuesday, while Sony Corp is discouraging non-essential travel to China.

Mazda Motor Corp will halt production at its Nanjing factory, which it jointly operates with Chongqing Changan Automobile Co Ltd and Ford Motor Co, for four days. Nissan Motor Co suspended China production for two days, starting Monday, sources said.

“I want to leave,” said a Nissan executive, who declined to be named, in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou. “Protests near my home were horrifying over the weekend.”

Electronics group Panasonic said one of its plants had been sabotaged by Chinese workers and would remain closed through Tuesday.

Canon Inc will stop production at three of its four Chinese factories on Tuesday, Japanese media reports said, while All Nippon Airways Co reported a rise in cancellations on Japan-bound flights from China.

The dispute also hit the shares of Hong Kong-listed Japanese retailers on Monday, with department store operator Aeon Stores (Hong Kong) Co Ltd falling to a seven-month low.

“All Japan-related shares are under selling pressure,” said Andrew To, a research director from Emperor Capital.

Japan warned its citizens about large-scale protests in China on Tuesday. Many Japanese schools across China, including in Beijing and Shanghai, have cancelled classes this week.


Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, who met visiting U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Monday, urged Beijing to ensure Japan’s people and property were protected.

The overseas edition of the People’s Daily, the main newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, warned that Beijing could resort to economic retaliation if the dispute festers.

“How could it be that Japan wants another lost decade, and could even be prepared to go back by two decades?” asked a front-page editorial. China “has always been extremely cautious about playing the economic card”, it said.

“But in struggles concerning territorial sovereignty, if Japan continues its provocations, then China will take up the battle.”

China is Japan’s biggest trade partner and Japan is China’s third largest. Any harm to business and investment ties would be bad for both economies at a time when China faces a slowdown.

Qingdao police said they had arrested a number of people suspected of “disrupting social order” during the protests, apparently referring to the attacks on Japanese-operated factories and shops there.

In Shanghai, home to China’s biggest Japanese expatriate population of 56,000, one expat said his family as well as other Japanese customers had been chased out of a Japanese restaurant on Sunday by protesters near the Japanese consulate.

Guangzhou police said on their official microblog that they had detained 11 people for smashing up a Japanese-brand car, shop windows and billboards on Sunday.

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Old 09-17-12, 01:53 PM
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Re: Things not looking good between China and Japan

I guess they figured why should the Middle East have all the coverage and fun. I guess we'll see North and South Korea go at it shortly.
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It's seriously as messed up as it is in the Muslim world vs America right now, with the Chinese attacking Japanese businesses and embassies. But seriously, those businesses have nothing to do with it! It really makes no sense why they are destroying these businesses. It's not going to help anything.

In Japan there are no protests or bad-mouthing against the Chinese. Just people wondering why a couple of rocks are making such a big fuss over there.

Also amazing that so many people would riot and protest against a couple of rocks in the sea that none of them will ever go to, yet they don't want to protest against censorship, freedom of speech, unemployment, human rights issues, or poverty in their own country...
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With a change in government coming up very shortly, China has to be very careful as they don't want to lose face in dealing with this.

Some of the early riots took place in the city I lived in last year.
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Re: Things not looking good between China and Japan

That article never specified which uninhabited rocks are in dispute this time. Is the news agency trying to stay neutral, because the name of the rocks is different and Japanese and Chinese (and Korean and Russian)?
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Re: Things not looking good between China and Japan

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That article never specified which uninhabited rocks are in dispute this time. Is the news agency trying to stay neutral, because the name of the rocks is different and Japanese and Chinese (and Korean and Russian)?
Here's all you need to know.


"The islands, which were purchased from private owners by the Japanese government last week, are in a strategically located area and are believed to be rich in oil deposits."

The ChiComs have been laying claim to wide swaths of the south and east China Sea if there's any hint of oil or mineral wealth.
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By and large they were successful. Aside from the odd car tipped over or the windows of a Japanese business smashed, the violence was kept to a minimum. The government took pains to make it so. A public announcement played over and over on a loudspeaker advised demonstrators to remain rational and not harm anyone. A generic text was sent to local cell phones that called on Beijing residents to show patriotism but not to ‘over do it.’
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A car carrying the U.S. ambassador to China was mildly damaged after becoming the target of boisterous anti-Japan demonstrators who were expressing outrage over a territorial dispute and marking the 81st anniversary of Japan's invasion of China.
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Quite a few people have said that the conflict over the Diaoyus (known as Senkakus in Japan) has passed the stage of oral confrontation and what follows may very probably be direct military conflict.

It is especially so as, relying on US support, Japan is obviously declaring war against China already.

Sources say that China’s Central Military Commission has directly given Chinese military the instruction: “Fight if it is appropriate to fight.”

Sources pointed out that they had received information that Xi Jinping, Chairman of the Central Military Commission, gave a relevant warning to a Japanese economic and trade delegation that recently visited China.

Xi specially pointed out to the delegation when he met them, if Japan kept provoking China and thus gave rise to an unstable situation, it alone has to be responsible for all the consequences.

This article doesn't point out who really is provoking the situation in the region: China

As someone who lives in Taiwan and not to far off the islands in dispute, I have some high concerns for my wife. What concerns me the most, is when the US get's involved in this. It's not looking good for the world in coming years ahead.
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Re: Things not looking good between China and Japan

China provoking?
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Japan should just give the islands to Taiwan and wash their hands of it all. Let China and Taiwan fight over the islands. With the U.S., of course, stuck where it always is--right in the middle.
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China provoking?
At least the Chinese eat their dogs...after they've shot them.

Like the American Indians and the buffalo...leave nothing, use everything.

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