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Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

Or would they vilify them for being born with a silver spoon?
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Absolutely nothing wrong with being born with a silver spoon if your policies favor the working middle class of this country.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

What a ridiculous question.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

This is, if you will pardon my French, a dumb fucking question. Did you miss the convention last night (or coverage thereof) when the Democrats proudly played a tape of Ted Kennedy? Or the fact that 8 years ago, we nominated a moneyed scion of the Forbes family?

No, Democrats have no problem with wealth, or with being born into money. What we have a problem with is people who lack the basic self-awareness to tell the difference between hard work and an accident of birth, and people who think that the luck of being born to rich parents gives them a greater claim on the American dream than everyone else.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

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No, Democrats have no problem with wealth, or with being born into money. What we have a problem with is people who lack the basic self-awareness to tell the difference between hard work and an accident of birth, and people who think that the luck of being born to rich parents gives them a greater claim on the American dream than everyone else.
How do you make that distinction, other than the little letter next to a candidate's name?

Can you name an example of a wealthy Democrat today who does not understand the difference between hard work and accident of birth? Can you name an example of a wealthy Republican today who can?
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

What do you mean by accept? Do you mean vote for?
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

Royaltea is turning into grundle without the hit and run.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

I think Democrats wouldn't accept FDR or JFK today due to their right-wing politics. FDR and JFK would have to make some significant changes to fit in with today's party.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

Yes, I think JFK's militant anti-communism wouldn't be acceptable to today's Democrat party. Ted, on the other hand, had a different outlook:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted...-robinson.html
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

This is not nearly as ridiculous as some of the threads that appear on this forum.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

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Yes, I think JFK's militant anti-communism wouldn't be acceptable to today's Democrat party.
Exactly. It surprises some people to know that RMN & JFK had the same cold-war view.
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Exactly. It surprises some people to know that RMN & JFK had the same cold-war view.
In fact they were competing to see who could be the farthest right on the subject.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

JFK's militant anti-communism wouldn't be very applicable in today's climate. It would have to translate to militant anti-terrorism.
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Today's climate requires a 'can't we all just get along" foreign policy.
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No, Democrats have no problem with wealth, or with being born into money. What we have a problem with is people who lack the basic self-awareness to tell the difference between hard work and an accident of birth, and people who think that the luck of being born to rich parents gives them a greater claim on the American dream than everyone else.
You mean like the Kennedy family?

And that's not at all how democrats think. Democrats want to take money away from rich people and give it to poor people. It doesn't matter to a democrat how you became rich. It doesn't matter if you were born in a slum, worked from the time you were 14 to earn enough money to go to college, worked 3 jobs while you were in college just to pay for it, started at the bottom, worked 100 hours a week and by some miracle made something of yourself and became wealthy...if you're rich you damn well better "pay your fair share" If you're rich, you're somehow less important than if you're poor even though everybody has the opportunity to become rich. The difference is that democrats don't seem to be able to reward hard work. And why do they think like that? Because poor people vote for democrats and keep them in power because democrats promise them that all they have to do is vote democrat and we'll make sure you get money.

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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

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You mean like the Kennedy family?
Yes, like the Kennedy family, the members of which with the most prominence in the Democratic Party have spent their political careers trying to expand opportunity for those on the lowest urngs of the social ladder.
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JFK spent much of his time in manly pursuits. Teddy wasn't too far behind his older brother.

Change manly to earthy pursuits.

It was a Kennedy trait.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

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JFK spent much of his time in manly pursuits. Teddy wasn't too far behind his older brother.

Change manly to earthy pursuits.

It was a Kennedy trait.
It's an alpha-male trait. Almost all presidential candidates took full advantage of the groupies.
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Yes, like the Kennedy family, the members of which with the most prominence in the Democratic Party have spent their political careers trying to expand opportunity for those on the lowest urngs of the social ladder.
And are drunks, philanderers and murderers and don't seem to think that the law and societal norms apply to them.

The Kennedy's are one with the people...yeah right.
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Yes, I think JFK's militant anti-communism wouldn't be acceptable to today's Democrat party.
Anyone trying to make anti-communism a major issue in 2012 would have a hard time finding acceptance in either party. In the meantime, it's a sad thing that, pace c-man, a president has to be known for starting wasteful wars in order to be seen as defending America's interests abroad. For better or worse, this isn't 1960.
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I've always said our national interests must be maintained (protected).

I do believe we've used military force unwisely in a number of instances.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

I don't know. Would Republicans accept Eisenhower or Nixon today?
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

Both parties have significantly changed since FDR and JFK were in office.

For one, the Democrats aren't home to a significant population of WASP Southern voters. They've migrated to the Republican party.
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Re: Would Democrats accept FDR or JFK today?

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Anyone trying to make anti-communism a major issue in 2012 would have a hard time finding acceptance in either party. In the meantime, it's a sad thing that, pace c-man, a president has to be known for starting wasteful wars in order to be seen as defending America's interests abroad. For better or worse, this isn't 1960.
Okay, let me rephrase that and make my point by saying that JFK's anti-communism wouldn't have been acceptable to the Democrat party in 1984 or 1988, either, while communism was still a global force.

And I certainly agree with you pursuant to wasteful wars, as neither the Iraq nor Afghanistan wars are doing anything for the US other than killing our troops, killing innocent civilians and spending trillions of taxpayer dollars.
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Both parties have significantly changed since FDR and JFK were in office.

For one, the Democrats aren't home to a significant population of WASP Southern voters. They've migrated to the Republican party.
Wasn't California once in play?

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