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Welcome to the one and only discussion of Christianity thread!

Today's topic: disowning distasteful members of your own congregation in an effort to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Subject: Ted Haggard

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Jesus is just alright with me.
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Re: The one and only discussion of Christianity thread!

It's bible quiz time!

1. Please describe how Judas Iscariot died.

2. Please name all 12 disciples.

3. Please provide some corroborating evidence that exists outside the bible for the assertion that the Ancient Egyptians enslaved the Israelites.

Take your time, please.
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Superboy, you are an agent of Satan for raising issues which good Christians are not obligated to answer.

Clearly the Bible is metaphor and allegory. Except where it's not.
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Re: The one and only discussion of Christianity thread!

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It's bible quiz time!

1. Please describe how Judas Iscariot died.

2. Please name all 12 disciples.

3. Please provide some corroborating evidence that exists outside the bible for the assertion that the Ancient Egyptians enslaved the Israelites.

Take your time, please.
Please don't use DVDTalk to hype your show, Mr. Foxworthy.
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Re: The one and only discussion of Christianity thread!

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It's bible quiz time!

1. Please describe how Judas Iscariot died.
A piano fell on him.

2. Please name all 12 disciples.
Sneezy
Sleepy
Dopey
Doc
Happy
Bashful
Grumpy
Merry
Pippin
Sam
Bilbo
Frodo

3. Please provide some corroborating evidence that exists outside the bible for the assertion that the Ancient Egyptians enslaved the Israelites.
Does not compute.

Take your time, please.
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Please don't use DVDTalk to hype your show, Mr. Foxworthy.
Agreed! I cringe every time I hear a promo for it...

I don't intend to spend a lot time here (even if it stays open long, which I doubt). The faith has great value to me, has enriched my life, and I hope I'm blessed with a family someday to be able to take to Sunday services. I know that for some people it was a negative experience growing up... that's (thankfully) not something I'm familiar with, but I can see how damaging an overbearing, unloving "religion" can be. I get just as mad and wierded out at the things I see from "religious" people the same as everyone else.
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Re: The one and only discussion of Christianity thread!

Superboy, in the past you've claimed to have read the Bible cover-to-cover more than 300 times. I must say this is impressive, but I have some questions.

Now, here's one estimate(reasonable, I'd say) that says it takes 72 hours to read the Bible:

http://askville.amazon.com/long-aver...estId=15632099

So, reading for 8 hours a day, it would take 9 days to read the whole thing. You claim to have done this upwards of 300 times, but let's just say 300. So that would be 2700 days, or about 7.4 years. To be clear, that's 7.4 years of reading the Bible for 8 hours a day without taking any days off.

Now, I think that certainly sounds reasonable and believable to all of us here, but another question interests me. As you seem to now have a mild disdain for Christianity, I'm just curious as to when that arose? Was it a case where you had read the Bible front to back 71 times, and said "hmmm....this seems to be largely crap, but I better read it another 229 times just to make sure"? Or was it a case where you were a devout Christian, not having a job or going to school but instead reading your Bible faithfully 8 hours a day for 7 years and 3 months, when suddenly, on your 300th time through, you said "hold on a minute, this is all bullshit!"? I'm just curious.
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I've read the bible 3 times. And I'm reading it for the 4th time.

Do those who agree with the Bible spend their entire lives reading it?
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IIRC, and Superboy is free to correct me, I remember him saying things about corruption in churches that he experienced firsthand that soured him on Christianity.
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The Rev. Sun Myung Moon has died. Didn't see it anywhere else and I guess it fits here, though I'm sure he's no true scotsman

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...times-dies-92/
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IIRC, and Superboy is free to correct me, I remember him saying things about corruption in churches that he experienced firsthand that soured him on Christianity.
That I can understand. I think he said he had been a member of dozens of different churches and I found that somewhat unusual.
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The most common response to atheists is "what did human followers of God do to you to make you reject Him?' For me the answer is: "nothing." I just started thinking and reading about it.

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That I can understand. I think he said he had been a member of dozens of different churches and I found that somewhat unusual.
It's unusual, but not implausible, depending on what one means by "member". I know people who have had a falling out with their church who have then gone on to join a bunch of others in a quest to find one that feels right. Join a church, attend for a few weeks, realize it's not right, then move on.
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The most common response to atheists it "what did human followers of God do to you to make you reject Him?' For me the answer is: "nothing." I just started thinking and reading about it.
They forced a bar mitzvah on me.
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They forced a bar mitzvah on me.
THOSE BASTARDS.
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They forced a bar mitzvah on me.
Me too (not the reason though - Bandoman's reason is mine also). But my early whining paved the way for my kid brother to not have to be Bar Mitzvahed. So I did some good.
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Well, actually, it was the bar mitzvah that made me question my beliefs in the first place. I was raised reform, which is basically Judaism for the lazy. I went to Jewish schools my whole life through 8th grade, but aside from some bible studies and a small Shabbat service each Friday, it was pretty much like being at a secular private school. My experience of Judaism was very passive, the worst thing about it was that I couldn't have pork or shellfish.

When I had to have my bar mitzvah, it was the first time I had to take an active role in my religion. And when that happened, I started to wonder if I even believed all this stuff that I was being taught. Ultimately I decided I didn't, so I researched other religions to see if I believed any of them. I didn't. Then I began to read arguments for atheism and they made a lot of sense to me.
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I was raised Episcopalian. That's Catholic Light - all the pageantry, 1/2 the guilt.
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One and only threads are generally stupid ideas, but one started from such self-serving notions, delusions of grandeur, and a holier than thou arrogance bordering on contemptibleness are especially odious.
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One and only threads are generally stupid ideas, but one started from such self-serving notions, delusions of grandeur, and a holier than thou arrogance bordering on contemptibleness are especially odious.
Hey, leave movielib's global warming thread alone!
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I was raised Episcopalian. That's Catholic Light - all the pageantry, 1/2 the guilt.
And up to eight divorces per believer!
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Well, actually, it was the bar mitzvah that made me question my beliefs in the first place. I was raised reform, which is basically Judaism for the lazy. I went to Jewish schools my whole life through 8th grade, but aside from some bible studies and a small Shabbat service each Friday, it was pretty much like being at a secular private school. My experience of Judaism was very passive, the worst thing about it was that I couldn't have pork or shellfish.

When I had to have my bar mitzvah, it was the first time I had to take an active role in my religion. And when that happened, I started to wonder if I even believed all this stuff that I was being taught. Ultimately I decided I didn't, so I researched other religions to see if I believed any of them. I didn't. Then I began to read arguments for atheism and they made a lot of sense to me.
I was raised Reformed too. We ate any damn thing we wanted to. Sometimes I seemed to live weeks at a time on bacon.

I went to public schools and we almost never went to any services except on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur which they also made me go to. I questioned my religion almost as far back as I can remember. I also had to go to Sunday (sometimes Saturday) school and gave the teachers a hard time. At 16, I was also forced into Confirmation classes (all this forcing by my parents was a little odd because they were never very religious except they seemed to think it was necessary to go through the motions for appearance or something) and I gave the Rabbi a hard time. I was shocked when he asked me to take one of the two major student parts in the Confirmation service which included saying the prayer before the Torah reading. I think he liked my relentless skepticism. And I did the service.

I think I simply never had a religious bone in my body. And after getting into religious reading and studying in earnest in college (where I took Old and New Testament courses) and after, I was out forever.
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It's bible quiz time!

1. Please describe how Judas Iscariot died.
Autoerotic asphyxiation.

2. Please name all 12 disciples.
Bruce
Clark
Diana
Hal
Barry
Arthur
Jonn
Oliver
Ray
Dinah
Billy
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3. Please provide some corroborating evidence that exists outside the bible for the assertion that the Ancient Egyptians enslaved the Israelites.
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