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covenant 08-28-14 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 12214446)
While the cops in the Philly case were totally in the wrong, the cop turning in the guns probably made a mistake. He should have told his neighbor to turn the guns in himself under the no questions asked policy.

Taking possession of weapons from a civilian without knowing if they've been used in crimes and then trying to turn them in anonymously to a different precinct than your own makes it sound like something is fishy.

Yeah, why not just take them in when you go to work the next day?

more:

a “no-questions-asked” policy does not exist outside of periodic gun-amnesty programs

“When you bring a gun to district, we want some background: your name and where it was found. You want to know where it came from,” Stanford said. “That’s all going to be done. It’s like taking a regular police report.Refusing to give that information to police, “would raise eyebrows of any reasonable person,” Stanford said.
I guess that's why the internal investigation on him.

even more:

Ruff handed the guns over to police, saying they belonged to his cousin, a police source said. The off-duty sergeant, who also was carrying his own loaded Glock 23 on his hip, then tried to leave and began "cursing and yelling" at officers when they attempted to stop him, the police report says.

It's unclear where the guns came from, but police sources said investigators determined that one had been reported missing in 2010 from a house in South Philadelphia. In a report on that lost gun, a 24-year-old man told police he'd gone to retrieve it from where he kept it in his house but discovered it was missing, according to an investigation report obtained by the Daily News.

DaveyJoe 08-28-14 10:44 AM

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It seems like if you scream "stop resisting" and "why are you going for my gun?" loudly and often enough, you can get away with excessive force. Unless there's video evidence and you can manage to get a hold of it.

covenant 08-28-14 10:52 AM

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I've read a bunch of different articles about Sgt. Brandon Ruff, and haven't seen anything that sounds like: "acts of violence that “were committed willfully, wantonly, maliciously, intentionally, outrageously, deliberately and/or by conduct so egregious as to shock the conscience".

slop101 08-29-14 12:16 PM

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Deputy who killed former Napster COO after drifting into the bike lane while distracted by his laptop will NOT face charges because he was answering a work-related email

I guess cops are above the law...

spainlinx0 08-29-14 12:37 PM

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No need to guess anymore. I would love to be able to use that excuse. Sorry officer, but it was a work related phone call, text, email, etc.

inri222 08-29-14 01:02 PM

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Some lives are more important than others.

DVD Polizei 08-29-14 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12215772)
Some lives are more important than others.

Some mobility devices offer more protection than others.

DVD Polizei 08-29-14 08:48 PM

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Actually, it appears as if the answer is indeed no, at least for this cop anyway, as he isn't above the law...his defense is just using it. Which is a right of anyone in this country.

Or we could just go the Equal Rights Route and charge him with murder.

inri222 09-04-14 11:47 AM

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http://wivb.com/2014/04/29/man-who-r...lete-evidence/

Man who recorded alleged police brutality says he was told to delete evidence

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) – A cell phone video shows 22-year-old John Willet on the ground being arrested by Buffalo Police a week ago Saturday. As Willet describes in an interview with News 4 Investigates: “Hit, hit, hit, hit from that officer over here.”

Now News 4 is talking to the man who captured these images.

“He knocked him down. I was like, I know there’s going to be more than this. So, that’s when I started recording it.”

In the video, you can see an officer slapping, then kicking, then once again slapping Willet while he’s on the ground handcuffed.

Sources tell News 4 Investigates that police believe the officer seen in the video striking Willet is Officer John Cirulli.

In a new development, Police Commissioner Daniel Derenda late Tuesday suspended one police officer without pay. Sources say that officer is John Cirulli. Five others remain on administrative leave as the investigation continues.

A spokesman for the police union, Buffalo Police Benevolent Association declined comment until after completion of ongoing investigations by Buffalo Police Internal Affairs, the Erie County district attorney and the United States attorney.

Fearing the possibility of a reprisal, the man behind this video recording asked that his identity be protected. He tells News 4 Investigates that he saw Willet surrendering to police in the area of Philadelphia and Ontario Streets.

“The cop just came and pushed him. He didn’t say a word. He just knocked him down,” the man says.

That’s when he began recording video. At one point he says one of the officers noticed him taking pictures.

“One cop saw me. He taps his friend on the shoulder and he pointed at me. So, I knew they were going to come to me.”

He says he quickly switched phones with a friend knowing police were going to ask about the video.

He says one of the officers – the same one seen on the video slapping and kicking Willet – came over to him and confronted him about the video.

“He told me give me your phone, or delete the video or I’m going to take your phone as evidence.”

The man says he asked the officer if it was illegal for him to record. He says the officer did not answer the question.

“He says just delete it. I’m like okay. I grabbed my friend’s phone and I deleted it. And I showed it to him. He said thank you very much. He checked it to make sure it was gone. He said thank you very much and he left.”

The man’s story is the latest development in the controversial video, which went viral on Sunday after it was posted on YouTube. News 4 Investigates had previously obtained the video from other sources and was the first to air an interview with Willet on Monday.

Buffalo Police Commissioner Derenda Monday ordered six officers off the street and referred the incident to internal affairs to investigate.

News 4 confirmed that Ciruilli was one of the suspended officers. News 4 is withholding the names of the other five at this time. The court documents actually list seven officers involved in the arrest.

Willet told News 4 that he was driving down the street when police pulled up alongside of him. He says the police vehicle was unmarked, and that initially he did not know who it was.

Willet says, “I got nervous. I didn’t know who it was obviously. Hopefully the police, but I’m just trying to get away from it all.”

According to a police complaint, Willet was traveling at a high rate of speed, and that they were trying to get him to slow down. They say Willet bailed out of the car and started running. Willet admits that he ran from police, but says he eventually stopped and gave up.

Willet says, “I put my hands up and that’s when I got the first swing to my face. I surrendered. I stopped. I put my hands up. It was no more point to run.”

The video, taken by a young man walking toward the incident, picks up with police trying to take Willet into custody. At one point on the tape, Willet is in handcuffs, face down on the ground.

Former United States Attorney and State Attorney General Dennis C. Vacco has prosecuted his share of cases.

He says unless the phone was used in the commission of a crime he doesn’t see any justification for police to make that demand.

“The fact of the matter is that the request to turn over the phone or delete the images is clear evidence in my view that the requesting officer was attempting to cover up his conduct,” Vacco says.

What’s more, Vacco says he thinks that such a demand could be used as evidence in a criminal investigation – if it’s determined that excessive force was used.

“I think the circumstantial evidence of going up to the second young man, and demanding the phone or the deletion of the images is strong circumstantial evidence indicating his consciousness of guilt,” says Vacco, a partner in the firm, Lippes Mathias Wexler Friedman.

Officials said the video shooter’s allegations will become part of the city and federal investigations.

“All aspects of the incident are under investigation,” said Michael DeGeorge, police spokesman.

“All facts are going to be full considered by this office,” said U.S. Attorney William Hochul. “We’re not prejudging anything. It’s a fact to be considered along with all of the facts.”

fujishig 09-04-14 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei (Post 12216184)
Actually, it appears as if the answer is indeed no, at least for this cop anyway, as he isn't above the law...his defense is just using it. Which is a right of anyone in this country.

Or we could just go the Equal Rights Route and charge him with murder.

Doesn't the article say the District Attorney is declining to press charges?

Here's the document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/237940150/...st-Milton-Olin


The law does not prohibit officers from using an electronic wireless communications device in the performance of their duties to situations involving emergencies.

JimRochester 09-04-14 03:18 PM

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Although this thread is devoted to cops behaving badly, I think it helps to remember that there are 100 good ones for every bad one. Thousands of good decisions for every incorrect decision. Late last night 32 yr. old Daryl Pierson, 8 year veteran of the Rochester Police Department was gunned down during a routine traffic stop.


Sources confirm name of suspect involved in deadly shooting of Rochester Police officer

Sources tell us the suspect is Thomas Johnson III of Rochester. We learned he was recently paroled from prison -- released just three weeks ago after an attempted robbery conviction.
In his 8 years, officer Pierson has received numerous commendations including for saving a family from a burning vehicle.

Knuckleheads should face the consequences of their actions if they go against the policies and procedures of the department. However the tone of this thread often leads us to believe there are more bad than good officers. This poor bastard leaves a wife and 3 kids, 5, 2 and newborn. I think some of us need a reminder what life would be like without them.

EddieMoney 09-04-14 03:19 PM

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I can only imagine the outrage if it turns out a cop is the one who hacked the celebrity pictures.

DaveyJoe 09-04-14 03:19 PM

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There is a thread for good cop deeds:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/other-talk/...ly-thread.html

fujishig 09-04-14 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 12222298)
There is a thread for good cop deeds.

Are you responding to JimRochester or EddieMoney's post?

JimRochester 09-04-14 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 12222298)
There is a thread for good cop deeds:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/other-talk/...ly-thread.html

Sorry to ruin the flow

DaveyJoe 09-04-14 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12222317)
Are you responding to JimRochester or EddieMoney's post?

:lol:

inri222 09-04-14 03:35 PM

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http://www.local10.com/news/miami-po...beach/27873912


Miami police officer arrested on DUI, drug charges in Miami Beach

MIAMI - A Miami police officer has been arrested in Miami Beach on suspicion of drunken driving and drug possession.

Miami Beach police spokeswoman Vivian Thayer said Christopher Vital was arrested early Thursday morning.

Vital, 29, faces charges of DUI, driving with a suspended license, possession of narcotics and criminal mischief.

According to the police report, Vital was driving his BMW on the MacArthur Causeway when he sped past several emergency vehicles, reaching a speed of 100 mph.

READ: Christopher Vital arrest report

When police conducted a traffic stop, they found marijuana, heroin and cocaine in Vital's car.

Police said Vital also banged his head on the arresting officer's partition while in the back of the cruiser, claiming he was going to blame the officer for his head injuries. Police said Vital also shattered the rear passenger side window of the cruiser and threatened to shoot himself.

Stefanie Malvin, who was a passenger in Vital's car, was also arrested on drug charges.

Last November, Vital was arrested on a charge of disorderly intoxication during a Miami Dolphins game at Sun Life Stadium.

When asked if he had any comment about Vital's arrest, Javier Ortiz, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, simply said, "Pray for him."

"The Miami Police Department frowns upon the behaviors alleged in the arrest of Christopher Vital," Maj. Delrish Moss said in a statement released Thursday afternoon. "As a member of law enforcement, Mr. Vital is held to a high standard and he is now the subject of an internal administrative investigation. He has been relieved of his police duties without pay pending his termination."

Moss went on to say that the Miami Police Department "will exercise its right to take appropriate actions based on the administrative findings. This holds true even if he is found not guilty in a criminal proceeding."

JCWBobC 09-05-14 05:49 PM

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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/swa...s-wrong-house/

A SWAT team is under investigation for storming into a home in Coconut Grove at around 11 a.m. with a narcotics warrant.

According to the homeowner, Bobby Mclendon, the warrant that SWAT presented to raid his house was for 2 blocks away. However these brutes did not care.

They came in belligerent, with guns drawn ordering children around like slaves. When the children didn’t react fast enough to the officers’ commands one child was subsequently bludgeoned with the buttstock of a rifle.

“They didn’t have any reason to, but they hit my nephew in the head with their rifle. He’s 13,” recounts Mclendon.

Major Delrish Moss, with Miami PD, said that in all of the chaos of the raid, the 13-year-old was injured when he “ran into an officer’s weapon.”

You can’t make this stuff up.

After assaulting the first child, they went into the room of Mclendon’s 12-year-old son, who was asleep. SWAT ordered the boy out of the bed and to put his hands behind his back. As the boy was complying with their orders, but apparently not fast enough, “they punched him in his left eye,” says Mclendon.

Apparently, after beating up two children, SWAT wanted more, so they began smashing up the place.

“They broke every single flat screen TV, they broke the play station 4, they broke every single picture frame for whatever reason…..Every single thing they could possibly break, they broke,” said Mclendon.

According to McClendon, officers went to the wrong house because the address on the warrant states 3744 Williams Avenue and the home that was raided was at 3844 Thomas Avenue. That point is disputed by Miami Police.

“This was the right house,” said Moss. “Not only was it the right house, but a gun was seized and illegal narcotics taken from the location.”

The “narcotics” that police found turned out to be a small amount of marijuana. Also, last time we checked, guns were not illegal.

This is yet another barbaric example of the aggressive, militarized police system being beefed up and used against good people, in the relentless and deadly war on drugs.

The state does not care whether they lay waste to children or even infants, in their immoral pursuit to control what you put into your own body.

slop101 09-05-14 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JCWBobC (Post 12223715)

Jesus. "the wrong address, but the right house..." Unbelievable. That was so ridiculous that I thought it was a satire, but nope, just typical police shittiness.

stvn1974 09-05-14 09:59 PM

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I am not a lawyer but wouldn't they be able to get the demon weed and gun charge thrown out since they didn't have a warrant to go to THAT house?

I can see it now, judges refuse to issue warrant so just use another warrant created for something small and then say "whoopsie".

I am waiting for Minority Report style of justice.

Rockmjd23 09-06-14 12:54 PM

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Not exactly the most unbiased source. :lol:

Rockmjd23 09-06-14 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JCWBobC (Post 12223715)
“This was the right house,” said Moss. “Not only was it the right house, but a gun was seized and illegal narcotics taken from the location.”

Totally worth it then!

inri222 09-08-14 01:17 PM

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Stop and seize : Aggressive police take hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists not charged with crimes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...top-and-seize/

mike45 09-08-14 01:33 PM

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I do not agree with the unwarranted seizure of cash or property. But then again, I am never going to carry anything more the a couple hundred dollars in cash. Tens of thousands in cash in my pocket is crazy and unnecessary.

Red Dog 09-09-14 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12226243)
Stop and seize : Aggressive police take hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists not charged with crimes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...top-and-seize/

3-part series. Very informative read.


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