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mhg83 09-16-21 09:35 PM

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Looks like you can still have room for a firearm or two

Nesbit 09-17-21 12:59 PM

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Red Hood 09-18-21 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Draven (Post 13985365)
So..I’m going to take my drivers license out of my wallet and put it in here every time I drive? Fascinating that their solution is this and not “stop shooting people”.

https://twitter.com/MnDPS_DPS/status...84957597896711

Or the cops can stop shooting people instead.

Red Hood 09-18-21 09:01 PM

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Cops helping landlords evict tenants for the most inane crimes


Red Hood 09-29-21 08:35 PM

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Retrain every single cop in the nation. This shit needs to stop and the lawsuits need to affect the cops' pockets directly, not the tax money that we pay.


Dr. DVD 09-29-21 08:56 PM

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Not in the U.S., but pretty dang scary.

https://www.insider.com/sarah-everar...nhpOMCROceemZA

inri222 09-30-21 05:24 PM

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Start firing their fucking asses!!!

Hack Of Oath Keepers Militia Group Includes Names Of Active NYPD Officers, De Blasio Launches Investigation

https://gothamist.com/news/hack-oath...-investigation

Nick Danger 10-01-21 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 13991266)
Start firing their fucking asses!!!

Hack Of Oath Keepers Militia Group Includes Names Of Active NYPD Officers, De Blasio Launches Investigation

https://gothamist.com/news/hack-oath...-investigation

Let's see if the police unions protect Nazis. I'll bet you a coke that they will.

I hope the #EpikFail keeps giving.

Josh-da-man 10-01-21 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13991453)
Let's see if the police unions protect Nazis. I'll bet you a coke that they will.

Was this ever in doubt?


JasonF 10-06-21 12:13 AM

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Bodycam shows Minneapolis officers ‘hunting’ civilians during Floyd protests

Another batch of body camera videos released Tuesday show how Minneapolis police officers became increasingly militaristic in their attempt to clamp down on protesters five days after George Floyd was killed.

They mocked some demonstrators and sought out others who were breaking curfew and fired rubber bullets at them. They made racially tinged remarks, derided the working press and celebrated direct hits with their rubber bullets. As citizens hurled insults at the officers — saying this is exactly the sort of behavior they were protesting — MPD officers continued to fire on people as they fled.

“We’re unarmed!” a woman yelled at the officers in one video. “What are y’all tryin’ to do?”

“Go home!” an officer yelled back.

When a citizen yelled about the police being civil servants, an officer replied “F*** you!”

A woman hollered at the police: “What the f*** are we gonna do to you? We’re out here peacefully protesting; this is f***ing America! We can say what we want!”

That prompted a barrage of shots from officers.

As people chanted “No justice, no peace” and “I’m unarmed,” the officers fired less-lethal rubber bullets along Lake Street in the hours leading up to their arrival at Lake Street and 14th Avenue. That’s where Jaleel Stallings — after being hit with a rubber bullet — fired back with a real gun because, he said, he didn’t know they were cops and thought he’d been hit with a real bullet. The Army veteran would later testify during his trial that he thought they were white supremacists and purposely missed them to try to scare them off.

Earlier, the SWAT team had been joking and laughing as they punctured vehicle tires and fired 40mm rubber bullet launchers at people violating curfew — marveling at their weaponry’s effectiveness.

But everything changed when they came upon Stallings and his friends.

All night, their rubber bullets had prompted citizens to flee or cry out in pain, but Stallings — armed with a pistol for which he had a permit — quickly fired three shots back at the SWAT team’s unmarked white van, prompting the officers to pile out and yell “shots fired.” Once Stallings heard them, he dropped his weapon and went to the ground. Despite his defenseless position, two officers beat him for about 30 seconds and then arrested him.

It was all caught on bodycam and surveillance video.

More than a year after the protests, no officers have been disciplined — except for an officer who violated MPD policy by speaking to a reporter anonymously — and multiple class action lawsuits against the city are pending, including one brought by journalists. An outside review of their response is also being done by a Chicago firm.









After Stallings was acquitted of all eight charges in July — testifying that he acted in self defense — his lawyer, Eric Rice, fought to be allowed to release the bodycam videos. Rice said this is the last of the bodycam videos he will be releasing.

The videos show Sgt. Andrew Bittell — the leader of the SWAT team that fired at Stallings — puncturing the tires of vehicles earlier that night, telling his unit they need to puncture two tires because people can easily change one flat tire.

At one point, after the officers fired on people across a bridge, a person yelled back that someone was hit in the face, but they continued firing. The SWAT team later talked about a group of people approaching, and Bittell said, “Let ’em come.” They discussed ambushing them, and then fired multiple 40mm rounds at the civilians.

Later as the team was near Blaisdell Avenue and Lake Street, where a group of protesters were chanting, an officer told Bittell that when the protesters saw police coming in an alley, they ran away. The SWAT team advanced, firing on them, prompting many to flee. The four people who didn’t were arrested.

One officer told Bittell he disagreed with expending so many resources to enforce the curfew.

“I so disagree with f***in’ doing the curfew s***,” he said. “I mean to spend all this resources on f***ing four arrests — I mean Jesus f***in Christ.”

An officer told Bittell the people were “pusses” because “You get within 30 feet of them and they run.”

“You got to hit ‘em with the 40s,” the sergeant responded.

At one point, the officers were firing from so far away that Bittell didn’t realize he nearly fired at cops before another officer stopped him.

Later, the officers laughed in the back of the van as one talked about “anarchists” they saw earlier. He imitated the cartoon character Elmer Fudd, joking about hunting down the “anarchists.”

After the unit went to Lake Street and Hiawatha Avenue, an officer suggested to Bittell that they should go find civilians out past curfew. Bittell agreed, saying they would be the “head of the snake now.”

Later, as their white van made its way down Lake Street, when the unit saw people at the Stop-N-Shop gas station at 17th Avenue, Bittell told the driver to speed up and said, “Let ‘em have it, boys.”

The officers shot multiple rounds at the people at the gas station, not knowing it was the gas station owner, neighbors and relatives guarding the station from more looting, as well as bystanders, including a Vice News reporter who had his hands up and was yelling, “Press!”

A SWAT team member pushed the reporter to the ground, and as he lay there with his press card up, another officer pepper-sprayed him in the face.

The bodycam of the officer who was driving the SWAT team’s unmarked van showed officers complaining about the media. Lt. Johnny Mercil walked up to the van driver, Michael Osbeck,Jr., and said, “F*** these media.”

“They think they can do whatever they want,” Osbeck said.

Then Mercil implied Black people were responsible for looting and fires, saying, “I got no problem with that; I’d love to scatter ’em but it’s time to f***in’ put people in jail and just prove the mayor wrong about this white supremacist (inaudible). Although this group probably is predominantly white, because there’s not looting and fires.”

An officer agreed.

Mercil was in charge of MPD’s use-of-force training and months later would testify during Derek Chauvin’s murder trial that officers are trained to use the least amount of force needed to meet their objective.

After Stallings was hit with a rubber bullet, fired back, was beaten, arrested and taken to a hospital, an officer secured the scene while it was processed by investigators.

Bodycam video shows MPD Commander Bruce Folkens talking to an officer, and when the officer mentioned that it was a “busy night,” Folkens replied, “It’s nice to hear that we’ve moved to — tonight it was just nice to hear ‘We’re gonna go find some more people.’ Instead of chasing people around… you guys are out hunting people now. It’s just a nice change of tempo.”

“Yep, agreed,” the officer said.

“F*** these people,” Folkens said.

MPD spokesman Garrett Parten declined to comment on the officers’ actions. “Due to the ongoing internal investigation, MPD is unable to comment at this time,” he said.
https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/1...loyd-protests/
Just a few more bad apples (who have not been disciplined, let alone fired, let alone prosecuted).

GoVegan 10-06-21 10:11 AM

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I'm certainly not surprised that the only officer in Minneapolis who was disciplined was the snitch. Apparently that's the only bad thing you can do as a police officer.

Josh-da-man 10-06-21 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GoVegan (Post 13993798)
I'm certainly not surprised that the only officer in Minneapolis who was disciplined was the snitch. Apparently that's the only bad thing you can do as a police officer.

Every criminal gang's first rule is "Snitches get stitches."

JasonF 10-08-21 11:04 PM

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Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist. Almost Nothing Happened to the Adults in Charge.

Judge Donna Scott Davenport oversees a juvenile justice system in Rutherford County, Tennessee, with a staggering history of jailing children. She said kids must face consequences, which rarely seem to apply to her or the other adults in charge.


https://www.propublica.org/article/b...t-doesnt-exist

It's a long article; one of the reporters who wrote it has a thread with some highlights (lowlights?) here:



story 10-09-21 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 13993726)
https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/1...loyd-protests/
Just a few more bad apples (who have not been disciplined, let alone fired, let alone prosecuted).

Minneapolis has a big ballot this fall. There's a mayoral race and the whole city council is up, too.

There are three questions on the ballot: 1. should the office of the mayor get new executive powers, 2. should the city's charter change from requiring a police department to having a department of public safety, and 3. should there be new rent control that allows increases but with some restraint.

For the three questions, the two camps are essentially either Yes, No, No (includes the mayor and some council) or they're No, Yes, Yes (some council and new candidates). Then there are others who support the mayor and want to vote Yes, Yes, Yes across the board, it's quite a whirlwind right now.

It will be interesting to see if the mayor is reelected. Some say if he doesn't, it's a referendum on last year's police issues. Others say the best way to speak up about last year's police issues is vote Yes on 2. It's unclear what happens if 1 is approved and the mayor's office gets new powers yet 2 gets approved and the ew department is run by the mayor and council together. The mayor also said all that new body cam video footage is galling, so I'm not sure if that changes how he sees question 2, but he's probably staying the course.

Red Hood 10-09-21 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 13995154)
https://www.propublica.org/article/b...t-doesnt-exist

It's a long article; one of the reporters who wrote it has a thread with some highlights (lowlights?) here:

https://twitter.com/bykenarmstrong/s...516535297?s=20

Just read the article and tweets this morning and it pissed me so much I had to go out for a walk. How the fuck is this type of shit still happening in this day and age? This is something that needs to be blasted publicly in every news media. Make fucking bigger than when a white girl disappears. The media loves the Petito story yet shit like this is nowhere to be found. The fact that a woman who shouldn't even be a judge has created rules out of her ass and made them "laws" in that county in order to arrest innocent kids and send them to jail is fucking barbaric. Not only this woman should be disbarred and never allowed to touch a court, she should fucking be arrested for her abuse of power along with every single cop that helped her.

Abob Teff 10-14-21 09:48 PM

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Here's a bizarre one ...

https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2021...of-police-van/

A 29-year old woman had been missing for two weeks ... and her body was found in an "unused" police van at the police station in Huntsville, Alabama. The coroner's office is ruling out foul play, but does not have a cause of death yet.

slop101 11-12-21 03:18 PM

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Fuckin' hell - this is what happens when you know you'll never be held accountable...


emanon 11-12-21 04:25 PM

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In their defense, it appears she was black at the time of the shooting.

Red Hood 11-19-21 09:47 AM

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Not a fucking surprise that these Oath Keepers assholes keep turning out to be law enforcement officials. Fire them all out and investigate each arrest they have made. Most of them belong in jail


story 11-19-21 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by story (Post 13995197)
Minneapolis has a big ballot this fall. There's a mayoral race and the whole city council is up, too.

There are three questions on the ballot: 1. should the office of the mayor get new executive powers, 2. should the city's charter change from requiring a police department to having a department of public safety, and 3. should there be new rent control that allows increases but with some restraint.

For the three questions, the two camps are essentially either Yes, No, No (includes the mayor and some council) or they're No, Yes, Yes (some council and new candidates). Then there are others who support the mayor and want to vote Yes, Yes, Yes across the board, it's quite a whirlwind right now.

It will be interesting to see if the mayor is reelected. Some say if he doesn't, it's a referendum on last year's police issues. Others say the best way to speak up about last year's police issues is vote Yes on 2. It's unclear what happens if 1 is approved and the mayor's office gets new powers yet 2 gets approved and the ew department is run by the mayor and council together. The mayor also said all that new body cam video footage is galling, so I'm not sure if that changes how he sees question 2, but he's probably staying the course.

In case anyone is interested, the ballot questions went this way: Yes, No, Yes.

The mayor's office got stronger, which honestly isn't the worst thing in the world and it matches other cities' responsibility structure more now. The city charter and the police department remain the same, no new department of public safety (more below). And there is new rent control that will help more people be able to not just afford housing altogether but also save for a down payment on a home and break the cycle.

For the second ballot question, it was voted down but not by a landslide: 56% to 44%. It was a record voter turnout, with 54% of registered voters participating this year, so people truly cared about this one. I'd say that shows strong support for change, no matter the outcome. My hunch is while 56% voted not to change the structure, a good portion of them do want police reform. I don't really see how the city can move forward as it's always been without more disaster ahead.

The part that stinks about Question #2 is the plan. The "vote no" people said look at the "vote yes" people, they don't even have a plan! And it would have to be implemented in too short a timespan! No plan and no time to make a plan! That isn't true. The "vote yes" people were developing a plan, they just weren't allowed to talk about it. So while the "vote no" people were going on about how the plan would "abolish police" and leave everybody vulnerable, all the "vote yes" people could say was this wouldn't do that, but then couldn't talk about why. That whole angle felt really dirty to me and I think "vote no" fearmongering was a major part of why it didn't pass. Whether it should have is one thing, but how this impacted the outcome is another.

I just hope the city stays proactive to avoid the next Derek Chauvin nightmare scenario.

feenst 11-19-21 09:17 PM

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Why weren't the "vote yes" people allowed to talk about their plan?

stingermck 11-21-21 08:34 AM

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V for Vendetta school assignment proves correct:


https://www.wrtv.com/news/education/...emoved-posters

Red Hood 11-21-21 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stingermck (Post 14015253)


The whole reaction by the the stupid police officers and some bootlickers in the community and school system proved the exact point the the teacher and students were trying to make. Also, since when are police officers allowed to come to school and question an assignment from a teacher? This is just blatant intimidation

Red Hood 11-24-21 01:40 AM

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Just another bad apple, am I right?


Abob Teff 11-29-21 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Hood (Post 14015275)
The whole reaction by the the stupid police officers and some bootlickers in the community and school system proved the exact point the the teacher and students were trying to make. Also, since when are police officers allowed to come to school and question an assignment from a teacher? This is just blatant intimidation

I couldn't follow the video so I read the news story instead. The police didn't "come to school" -- they are school resource officers who work in the school.

From reading the article and the teacher's own social platform post, it wasn't the SROs questioning it -- that actually resulted in a meaningful display of dialogue, which is the point! The problem was all the backstabbing and gossiping that went on behind closed doors. Understandably a police officer is going to be offended by an image like that, particularly if they do not understand the context. The whole point of the project is provoke difficult conversations, so it worked in that regard.

That is the kind of teaching I wish I was doing. My regards to the teacher!

On a tangent, no ... students do not have full First Amendment protections in a school setting. (Not saying I agree with what happened in this incident, because I don't. I'm just pointing that out that a student does not have full expectation to First Amendment protections.)

Edit ... on another tangent ... those SROs are very unprofessionally dressed. Part of the problem is looking like a weekend LE LARPer.


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