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Dan 09-01-20 10:10 AM

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This is pretty insane... I don't even know what to say about it, other than... if it's happening in this one department, how many other departments is it happening in, and will more whistleblowers come out?

Whistleblower: California Deputy Killed Teen to Join Department’s “Gang”
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ne...ment-s--gang--

“It is very disturbing – to say the least – that gangs are commonly known to exist within the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. These reports go to the heart of our concerns that the Sheriff’s Department promotes and harbors a culture of violence against the public. Make no mistake, we have every intention of conducting a thorough investigation into the potential involvement of any Sheriff’s Department gang in the shooting of Andres Guardado.”

More than a dozen deputies have matching tattoos and belong to a violent clique called the Executioners at the station, according to Deputy Art Gonzalez, who filed a whistleblower complaint regarding the Executioners in June.

“I now call them a gang because that’s what gangs do – they beat up other people,” Gonzalez said.

His sworn testimony obtained by Spectrum News is for a separate excessive force case filed against Los Angeles County. The deputies in the lawsuit are accused of “chasing ink” – slang for trying to impress the Executioners to join their group.

“There are parties after shootings. They call them ‘998 parties.’ Some people say it’s to celebrate the deputy is alive. Others say it’s to celebrate that they’re going to be ‘inking’ somebody.”

Gonzalez, testifying for nearly six hours under oath, said the existence of the clique was “common knowledge” at the station and that the gang’s so-called shot caller controlled the work schedule and their actions boosted arrest numbers.

Bandoman 09-01-20 10:25 AM

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That's sick, if true.

spainlinx0 09-01-20 12:51 PM

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It's not surprising in the least. Cops act like a gang in every other way. It makes sense it would extend to this.

Nick Danger 09-01-20 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 13796697)
Law enforcement is not cosplay

Kyle Rittenhouse, Kenosha, and the Sheepdog Mentality

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...tality/615805/

What I get from that essay is that violent behavior is caused by online videos. It's not 1930s gangster movies / 1950s comic books / 1970s heavy metal music / 1990s video games.

Dan 09-01-20 01:55 PM

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^ I haven't read that essay yet, but on the topic at hand, it's a bit of a complex issue; Gangster movies, comic books, heavy metal music, and video games never seemed to be in the business of radicalization, aside from some outliers that weren't exactly showing up in mainstream places on the regular. Online videos are a bit of a different beast, because 99% of it is on YouTube, and there are some -- we'll call them 'content creators' -- who probably don't have any ill intent; they just want their audiences to think more critically. But because of the way the content-feeding algorithms have worked, people who watch their content are drawn (or pulled, gently or with force) toward extremists on the same platforms. A far right nationalist's propaganda video can appear right next to a well-meaning "skeptic" video. In previous generations, that kind of direct pipeline was much more difficult to establish, and now it's all too easy to have that stuff fill your recommendations for weeks or months at a time, all because you watched a handful of more even-keeled videos on contentious topics. I watch a handful of political commentators on YouTube, but there are some I know to avoid. Even still, once in awhile, YouTube decides for me that their content is appropriate to recommend, and I have to go through the effort of blocking or selecting "not interested" enough times to correct it.

"Watch less YouTube" is good advice, but doesn't fix the issues that exist within it.

fujishig 09-01-20 02:00 PM

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I mean, we all knew what the stance was going to be, but in case anyone was wondering:


Koby 09-01-20 07:05 PM

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Good on Cheeto-man to actually be able to look at a video and see that Rittenhouse was forced into defending himself.

But damn, shooting paint balls at people isn't "peacefully protesting". That's a pretty dumb statement.

slop101 09-01-20 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Koby (Post 13798761)
Good on Cheeto-man to actually be able to look at a video and see that Rittenhouse was forced into defending himself.

-confused-


Josh-da-man 09-01-20 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Danger (Post 13798601)
What I get from that essay is that violent behavior is caused by online videos. It's not 1930s gangster movies / 1950s comic books / 1970s heavy metal music / 1990s video games.


Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13798619)
^ I haven't read that essay yet, but on the topic at hand, it's a bit of a complex issue; Gangster movies, comic books, heavy metal music, and video games never seemed to be in the business of radicalization, aside from some outliers that weren't exactly showing up in mainstream places on the regular.

Yeah, I think that's one big difference. Youtube videos (and blogs, etc.) exist for the sole purpose of radicalizing people: Red-pilling them, turning them into white supremacists, or neo-nazis. Or even recruiting them to join ISIS or other radical Islamic causes.

Scarface, Crime Suspenstories comic books, Slayer albums, Dungeons & Dragons games, first person shooters like Doom, and other stuff are primarily forms of entertainment.

The shit populating youtube is propaganda with the intent of radicalizing people to causes, not entertaining them.

An argument can be made that Friday the 13th films are misogynistic, but most people are going to watch them, be entertained for an hour and half, and get on with their lives. Watching red pill videos on youtube isn't a form of entertainment, its sole purpose is to anger people, make them stew in their own misery, recruit others to the cause, and go out and effect changes in the real world.

It's how this QAnon shit has been spreading like a virus.

Koby 09-01-20 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13798853)

Except he didn't travel across state lines to be there for this, he was already in the city because he worked in the city. He was asked by the owner of the business who's parking lot the incident took place in to actually watch over it because it'd already previously been vandalized by so called "peaceful protestors". He obtained said rifle in the city as well, it was confirmed to have not been brought across state line. Video evidence also shows Rittenhouse was attacked prior to every time he shot. In the first instance there were 7 shots fired, only 4 were from Rittenhouse. In the next altercation he was fleeing from the assaulting mob when he fell to the ground and got hit by a skateboard and another guy pulled a gun on him. The guy who pulled a gun on him was shot in the arm and turns out was a felon who wasn't even allowed to be in possession of fire arms. So was Rittenhouse suppose to just take a bullet? No, he had a right to defend himself and he did.

Dan 09-01-20 10:30 PM

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Where's the proof that the Medic guy was a felon and not allowed to open carry? Some shady-ass mugshotz website? Show actual proof from an authoritative source or consider deleting your libelous claims.

Meanwhile, murderboy still murdered two men with a gun he was not legally entitled to be carrying. Keep spinnin'

covenant 09-01-20 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Koby (Post 13798867)
Except he didn't travel across state lines to be there for this, he was already in the city because he worked in the city. He was asked by the owner of the business who's parking lot the incident took place in to actually watch over it because it'd already previously been vandalized by so called "peaceful protestors". He obtained said rifle in the city as well, it was confirmed to have not been brought across state line. Video evidence also shows Rittenhouse was attacked prior to every time he shot. In the first instance there were 7 shots fired, only 4 were from Rittenhouse. In the next altercation he was fleeing from the assaulting mob when he fell to the ground and got hit by a skateboard and another guy pulled a gun on him. The guy who pulled a gun on him was shot in the arm and turns out was a felon who wasn't even allowed to be in possession of fire arms. So was Rittenhouse suppose to just take a bullet? No, he had a right to defend himself and he did.

citation for all that shit

Dan 09-01-20 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 13798871)
citation for all that shit

Oh you didn't see his YouTube gamer boy's 'deep analysis?'
(Don't bother)

covenant 09-01-20 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13798872)
Oh you didn't see his YouTube gamer boy's 'deep analysis?'
(Don't bother)

here Iíll help: court records state he was a lifeguard in Kenosha, but was furloughed in March and hasnít been working there since.

that was easy.

Koby 09-01-20 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 13798871)
citation for all that shit

Most of what I said came from his attorneys' statement. You're free to go look it up.

The rest came from analyzing the videos shared all over the internet. Using adobe premier to slow it down, watch audio spikes, see muzzle flashes, and listening closely to the gun shots. Looking at the audio spectrum it clearly shows 7 shots were fired. Listening to them in slow motion you can clearly make out which is from Rittenhouse's rifle and which aren't, but it's unclear in the video itself where 3 of the shots come from. You can see the flash of one handgun going off which was the very first shot fired but the shooter was firing into the sky.

If you don't want to analyze the videos yourself there are plenty of others all over social media and the news outlets that have done so. Here is one:

whotony 09-01-20 10:41 PM

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Sure because we can always trust the word of the attorney of a guy who shot and murdered a couple of people.

Checks out.

covenant 09-01-20 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by koby (Post 13798877)
most of what i said came from his attorneys' statement. You're free to go look it up.

😂😂

Koby 09-01-20 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by whotony (Post 13798879)
Sure because we can always trust the word of the attorney of a guy who shot and murdered a couple of people.

Checks out.

Sure you can feel that way I suppose... but it'd be ignorant for an attorney to say the gun was a friends, etc... if it wasn't considering all of this would easily be verifiable in the court of law.

covenant 09-01-20 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Koby (Post 13798883)
Sure you can feel that way I suppose... but it'd be ignorant for an attorney to say the gun was a friends, etc... if it wasn't considering all of this would easily be verifiable in the court of law.

Thatís for the prosecution to prove. So you make them prove it. Do you understand how a criminal defense works?

Koby 09-01-20 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 13798885)
Do you understand how a criminal defense works?

Absolutely.

Dan 09-01-20 11:04 PM

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Still waiting on legitimate proof that the medic was a felon and not allowed to carry a gun, unlike the murderer who murdered with a weapon he 100% wasn't legally allowed to carry. Maybe those making the claim have another gateway pundit blog post to quote on the matter :lol:

Koby 09-01-20 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13798899)
Still waiting on legitimate proof that the medic was a felon and not allowed to carry a gun

You're right, in that further investigation shows that his felony charge was lowered to a misdemeanor which just so happens to be firearm related, yet seems most news sources failed to actually notice that. That's why it pays to do your own homework.Gaige Paul Grosskreutz has a forfeiture case for not showing obedience to officers, as well as one for loud noises. He was convicted of a criminal misdemeanor in 2016 for going armed with a firearm while intoxicated. He gave a West Allis address. This old archived web page alleges he was arrested on burglary charges, but nothing comes up in the court website for that case.

Online records show heís affiliated with The Peopleís Revolution, the Milwaukee-area protest group that has been protesting at Mayfair Mall and elsewhere. The man accused of attacking and shooting at Wauwatosa Police Officer Joseph Mensah was also affiliated with that group.


Dan 09-01-20 11:43 PM

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So,
-not a felon
-legally allowed to carry a gun
-also not a murderer as far as we know

Looks like he's at least 2 for 3 over your hero, for now anyway.

covenant 09-02-20 07:15 AM

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See how easy it is to debunk these lies? People need to pre-debunk before they post.

Draven 09-02-20 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Koby (Post 13798761)
Good on Cheeto-man to actually be able to look at a video and see that Rittenhouse was forced into defending himself.

You think Trump watched the video? :lol:


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