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Old 08-02-17, 07:55 PM   #5526
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Holy shit. I can't anyone could think that kid deserved to die or that the cops shouldn't be severely punished. Such a sad story.
I didn't say he "deserved" to die. I did say that actions and choices have consequences.

It is well known and documented that participating in the illegal drug trade increases one's chance of early death. That doesn't mean anyone "deserves" to die early.
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Old 08-02-17, 08:00 PM   #5527
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How did the illegal drug trade force him to ingest the drugs that killed him?
No one "forced" him to ingest the drugs. Here's the video, as broadcast on ABC News. Both officers are standing across the counter from him. ABC News even says that the officers "encourage or at least permit" him to drink it. Skip to 7:35

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Old 08-02-17, 08:04 PM   #5528
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"The lion ate the gazelle."

"Why do you think the gazelle deserved to die?"
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Old 08-02-17, 08:17 PM   #5529
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Did you watch the video? Where they said that the officers have a protocol for this situation and these officers didn't follow it?
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If you're a scared 16 year old being questioned by law enforcement and they tell you to drink something, you treat it as a command, not a request.
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Old 08-02-17, 11:04 PM   #5531
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Police caught planting drugs AGAIN.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimor...video-sources/

And they were caught in the same way because of their bodycams.
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Old 08-02-17, 11:25 PM   #5532
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I didn't say he "deserved" to die. I did say that actions and choices have consequences.

It is well known and documented that participating in the illegal drug trade increases one's chance of early death. That doesn't mean anyone "deserves" to die early.
And yet you don't want to treat this as a wrongful death. How does that work, exactly?
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Old 08-03-17, 01:30 AM   #5533
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grundle, can you attack the suspect in this video, too? Thanks.

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Old 08-03-17, 06:07 AM   #5534
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No one "forced" him to ingest the drugs. Here's the video, as broadcast on ABC News. Both officers are standing across the counter from him. ABC News even says that the officers "encourage or at least permit" him to drink it. Skip to 7:35

Officers in question are a woman and a Latino man. Not guilty. Next story.
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Old 08-03-17, 07:09 AM   #5535
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Officers in question are a woman and a Latino man. Not guilty. Next story.
While not a joking matter, it is fair for you to note the glaring absence of racial and gender labels to describe the officers when such labels are almost requisite with specific races and genders to stereotype groups. Consistency is not always a strong suit. Regardless, that's a side issue.

That being said, IMO, the officers should have immediately been fired. They didn't just challenge the suspect to drink the liquid; they watched him do it and then encouraged (not forced) him to drink more.

Is that "murder" as charged by some? Well, if we're going to be consistent, we have to apply legal definitions and allow the justice system to decide. At least, that's what we're always told when other acts are called "murder." Then it becomes a case of technical language.

Just offering an opinion admittedly ignorant of actual legal bars that have to be met, I'd think the officers could be charged with some type of negligent homicide.
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Old 08-03-17, 11:06 AM   #5536
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What was that euphemism used in the alleyway shooting? "The person became no longer alive" or something like that.
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Old 08-03-17, 03:12 PM   #5537
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Did you watch the video? Where they said that the officers have a protocol for this situation and these officers didn't follow it?
Yes, I watched it. It says the officers were supposed to conduct a test on the liquid.

They did indeed violate that protocol.

But they did not "force" him to drink it.
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Old 08-03-17, 03:15 PM   #5538
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If you're a scared 16 year old being questioned by law enforcement and they tell you to drink something, you treat it as a command, not a request.
You are correct.

However, ABC News said that the officers "encourage or at least permit" him to drink it. So we don't know if the offices told him to drink it, or if it was the teen's own idea to drink it.
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Old 08-03-17, 03:18 PM   #5539
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And yet you don't want to treat this as a wrongful death. How does that work, exactly?
I'm not sure how the legal system should label it. Perhaps they could call it "assisted suicide."
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Old 08-03-17, 03:25 PM   #5540
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grundle, can you attack the suspect in this video, too? Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4AwEA3PiM

No. Of course not. The police had him restrained, and while he was restrained, they repeatedly tased him.

A better analogy would be if the suspect had pulled out his own taser and used it to tase himself.
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What was that euphemism used in the alleyway shooting? "The person became no longer alive" or something like that.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/0...-shot-ruszczyk

"the female became deceased in the alley"
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Old 08-03-17, 05:08 PM   #5542
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Yeah. Love that one. The guy who wrote that should get Lawyer of the Year and a Get Out of Jail Free card.
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Old 08-03-17, 10:22 PM   #5543
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Make a baseball bat say "God damn!"
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Old 08-15-17, 07:00 AM   #5544
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Evil Cops rape woman on bodycam charges dropped.
https://blavity.com/houston-police-o...sexual-assault

Maybe when a black cop rapes a white woman justice will be served.
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Old 08-21-17, 12:17 AM   #5545
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Violent arrest of a Black driver in Euclid, OH. Watch at 0.30 the "rolling stop" that started everything.




Facebook video by a witness: I can't embed the Facebook video, but it's https://www.face book.com/shawna.malone1/videos/vb.1674442000/10208146119125427 without the space in "facebook". You can hear the witness's son asking: “What’s he doing? What are the police doing, Mommy?” Sorry, I don't know either.

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I've seen other takedowns that do not require punching in the face and head. That seemed over the top. Right off the bat, it wasn't just the failure to stop at the red light before turning right, they said the owner of the car is listed as a suspended license, so that's a cause for suspicion immediately. That being said, again, the punching seemed over the top to me.
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Old 08-21-17, 08:54 AM   #5547
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That was a very iffy traffic violation, and without it, the suspended license would never have come up. I'm not saying that he should drive with a suspended license, but it seems that for minorities, things tend to escalate very fast.
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Old 08-21-17, 09:46 AM   #5548
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I've gotten pulled over for "failure to come to a complete stop".

It's the worst, most humiliating ticket to get, especially when you did stop, just not long enough, and you get a $100 ticket for it. Looking back, I kind of wish I fought the ticket, who knows if there was video proof of it or not. But I can tell you, a cop that pulls you over for something that minor, does not want to argue with you about it which I found out first hand.
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I've gotten pulled over for "failure to come to a complete stop".

It's the worst, most humiliating ticket to get, especially when you did stop, just not long enough, and you get a $100 ticket for it. Looking back, I kind of wish I fought the ticket, who knows if there was video proof of it or not. But I can tell you, a cop that pulls you over for something that minor, does not want to argue with you about it which I found out first hand.
I have never gotten a ticket for that but was stopped once within my first year of driving. Just got a warning.

But this is one of the silliest things to give out a ticket for. As long as one does it carefully it is not at all dangerous.

What I want to see more tickets given out for is following too closely. That is one of the most dangerous things people can do in ordinary driving and it drives me nuts.
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But this is one of the silliest things to give out a ticket for. As long as one does it carefully it is not at all dangerous.

What I want to see more tickets given out for is following too closely. That is one of the most dangerous things people can do in ordinary driving and it drives me nuts.
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