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Old 07-25-17, 06:26 PM
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The white police officer in Texas fatally shot an innocent, law abiding, unarmed black, male, 15-year-old in the back of the head. The teen was a passenger in a car at the time.

The police said that the car was moving toward them at the time of the shooting. However, video footage showed that the car was actually moving away from them. So video footage showed that the police lied.

The police officer has been charged with murder. If he is convicted, I hope that he gets the maximum sentence that the law calls for.

Lots more info at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Jordan_Edwards
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But he won't get convicted is the thing.
Maybe he will, and maybe he won't. Only time will tell for sure.
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Old 07-25-17, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by grundle View Post
But even Noor's lawyer hasn't explained why Noor shot her.
You expect that lawyer to say "my client fucked up" in public right now? Since she's a white woman, they know they can't use the "afraid for my life" defense so they are going with "completely silent" instead.
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Old 07-25-17, 06:31 PM
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Warrant: Woman slapped squad car before cop fatally shot Ruszczyk

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/0...-shot-ruszczyk
I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi or anything like that, but I found this wording to be highly unusual:

"the female became deceased in the alley"
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Old 07-25-17, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Draven View Post
You expect that lawyer to say "my client fucked up" in public right now? Since she's a white woman, they know they can't use the "afraid for my life" defense so they are going with "completely silent" instead.
Usually the lawyer would say something along the lines of "my client was in fear for his life so he shot her in self defense."
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Originally Posted by emanon View Post
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In case there is any doubt, the above picture is real, not photoshop.

Of course the sign itself is fake, in the sense that it is not an official government sign. But it is an actual physical object that someone created and put on the pole.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/us/twi...rnd/index.html

Street signs warning of 'easily startled' police posted around Twin Cities

July 24, 2017



One week after an unarmed Minneapolis woman was killed in an officer-involved shooting, street signs criticizing "easily startled" police have popped up in the Twin Cities.

The orange traffic sign lookalikes depict a police officer jumping in the air, discharging a gun with each hand. "Warning," the signs read, "Twin Cities Police easily startled."

St. Paul Police Department spokesman Steve Linders confirmed there was at least one sign in St. Paul and another in Minneapolis. Linders didn't comment on any reaction from officers to the signs.

"We are aware of the signs and Minneapolis Public Works is removing them," Minneapolis Police Department spokeswoman Sgt. Catherine Michal said. "We have no further comment at this time."

The sign appeared about a week after Minneapolis police shot and killed Justine Ruszczyk, who had called 911 to report a possible assault. Minneapolis Police Chief Janeé Harteau stepped down six days later.

Ruszczyk's death was the latest of several fatal officer-involved shootings in Minnesota. Philando Castile was shot and killed by a St. Anthony officer during a traffic stop in July 2016, sparking nationwide protests. Less than a year earlier, a Minneapolis officer fatally shot Jamar Clark after a scuffle with officers in front of an apartment building.

Addy Free spotted the St. Paul sign at a busy intersection Sunday morning on his way home from work. He snapped a photo, which has since been shared over 18,000 times on Facebook.

"I wish there weren't so much truth to the sign," Free said. "Police are given a challenging job, with not enough training to counter overreaction and implicit bias."

The next morning, when Free went by the place where the sign had been, it was gone. The sign was taken down because it was attached to a legitimate street sign, Linders said, but he was unsure if the incident was being investigated as vandalism.

Free said the sign appeared to be made of metal and that it had the same thickness as the real street sign above it.

"It was not painted," he said. "It looked like a high quality decal or print like the sign above it."

An employee at Advantage Signs and Graphics, a Minnesota company that creates custom street signs, said the sign wasn't produced or ordered through their business.

"I don't know if the owner would have allowed us to make something like that because of how completely inappropriate it is, so we probably would've denied the job," she said.
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Originally Posted by FiveO View Post
Just curious as to why you're lumping all of us into one basket. Not all Doctors or Lawyers are the same. Heck...not even all politicians are the same.

You can not say what you do for a living...thats fine...but lay off the idiotic idea that everyone in the same profession all treat people the same. Its ignorant, childish and shows a complete lack of the understanding of being a human being.

Grow up.
I wrote at great length on here before. I'll find it later. You can search if you want to. My opinion of police is based on a lifetime of actual social interaction with police. Not some chip on my shoulder for being given a jay walking ticket.

Also, I will tell you what I do. It involves real estate. And if you or anyone told me that most people in real estate are dishonest and shitty people I would whole heartedly agree with you and tell you stories that would beat all of yours. Then I'd hope you recognized that I am unlike the rest and really do have ethics and I have never screwed a client.

I've met a tiny few ethical people in my job. I've met no ethical cops. I'm not saying there aren't any, but I've never met one.

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Here it all is. I wrote this in 2011

One big reason I hate cops which is particularly relevant to this thread is this whole "cop on every campus" policy. I grew up with this shit. My elementary school (in Long Beach, CA) had a cop (Officer Dale) on campus 4 days a week. He did DARE and other "outreach" stuff. The mentality of Long Beach PD was that this kind of outreach built a bridge with the community and taught people from a young age to respect and appreciate the police rather than fear them. It had the exact opposite effect on me. Even when I was 10 I knew this was indoctrination and I knew this guy had a cushy job and that he was a leach on the tax payer. He wasn't making Long Beach any safer. This was 1983 to 1989, the absolute penultimate height of the crack wars. This guy (and the full time cops at every other school in the district) had the safest cushiest job in the city. The city was burning all around them and they were playing basketball with the kids so that we’d all see the human face of the police.

The only cop I've known personally lived with my good friend from High School. He was a college dropout and gun nut who left loaded guns around the house. As someone raised as a hunter and raised to respect guns and practice proper firearms safety this guy offended and scared me. He was also a total psycho who got in fights all the time and scared every girl who came over to the house.

These days I have several business associates who volunteer their time as "Search and Rescue" deputies with their local police departments. This is basically a fantasy camp for wealthy guys who enjoy playing "police man" on the weekends: Going to the gun range, doing ride alongs, doing rescue drills, etc. It's really just a loop hole because it gets them conceal/carry permits neverminding that these are exactly the kind of people you don't want packing. These guys always show me emails they get from people inside the police department of crime scene photos. It's really creepy. My buddies all pretend to take a detached "clinical view" of the photos, but it's just blood splatter porno for wannabe cops. (PS, remember that Porsche crash in Orange County a few years ago where the 17 year old girl decapitated herself and the photos ended up on the internet?…yep, same department).

The people who gravitate to law enforcemnt are people who enjoy the power and recognition the job gives them. They’re usually people who had upbringings that left them disaffected and unhappy.

Similarly, firefighters are also a bunch of goons, weirdoes, and idiots. I have tons of friends (acquaintances really) who are firefighters. They are like one step above police. They’re all a bunch of gun nuts. They use their connections with the police to get themselves weapons that they shouldn’t have, and their #1 past-time is going out to the desert to ride dirt bikes and shoot shit. Not hunt mind you, just shoot shit like total white trash. I was at a bachelor party recently with a firefighter, and my buddy and I both noticed that this guy was borderline illiterate. He had to read out loud and his reading was really halted and he mispronounced simple words. My former landlord was a firefighter too and he was a real bone head. He talked so fucking slow. Like he was mildly retarded.
A new one I can add is that my wife's cousin dated a guy who was an Orange County Sheriff. I really liked the guy. I almost changed my mind about all cops, I hoped they would marry. After they broke up she told me something that changed everything.

He was encouraged to carry a concealed weapon when off duty but he found it uncomfortable. One time, on a date to Disneyland, he found his gun uncomfortable on the rides. So he had wife's cousin carry it in her purse all day! I still just cannot believe it. What a fucking bone head.
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Old 07-26-17, 04:09 AM
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I wonder what kind of "evidence" they were looking for:


http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warr...4552551/?cat=1

Authorities Searched Damond's Home; Law Prof Believes That Could 'Cause An International Incident'

July 25, 2017

Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigators were granted permission to search Justine Damond's home hours after she was shot and killed by a Minneapolis police officer, according to court records.

A criminal law expert can't understand why.

"I don't understand why they're looking for bodily fluids inside her home," said Joseph Daly, an emeritus professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law, referring to one of two recently-released search warrant applications.

"Whose bodily fluids are they looking for? Is she a suspect? I don't understand why they're looking for controlled substances inside her home. I don't understand why they're looking for writings inside her home. The warrant does not explain that to me."

"When I read that search warrant, I really cannot find probable cause to search her home," he continued.


According to court documents, investigators applied for the warrant on the following grounds:

The property or things above-described was used as a means of committing a crime
The possession of the property or things above-described constitutes a crime.
The property or things above-described is in the possession of a person with intent to use such property as a means of committing a crime, or the property or things so intended to be used are in the possession of another to whom they have been delivered for the purpose of concealing them or preventing their being discovered.
The property or things above-described constitutes evidence which tends to show a crime has been committed, or tends to show that a particular person has committed a crime.

Asked if that means the BCA considers Damond to be a suspect, spokesperson Jill Oliveira replied via email:

"No, an individual involved in the incident."

Daly, who said he has served as a visiting professor at the University of Queensland in Damond's native Australia, believes concerned members of the public in both countries will be outraged by the BCA's request to search the home.

"It's going to cause an international incident," he said. "I mean the prime minister of Australia already talked about this case on international television, and I think Australians are going to go berserk if they think the focus is on this woman as a suspect."

According to court documents, investigators did not end up taking any evidence from Damond's home.

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Old 07-26-17, 04:17 AM
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I was at a bachelor party recently with a firefighter, and my buddy and I both noticed that this guy was borderline illiterate. He had to read out loud and his reading was really halted and he mispronounced simple words.

When Obama was president, he forced the New York Fire Department to hire black firefighters who failed its “racist” qualification test, including a black firefighter who refused to fight fires.

Here are the specific details.

It is extremely easy to pass the New York Fire Department’s written test.

The test is multiple choice.

And it’s open book.

And the questions are insultingly easy – here are three examples of actual questions from the test:

A group of firefighters and their officer respond to a fifth floor apartment in a seven-story building. When they arrive at the apartment, they are told that the contents of a wastepaper basket was on fire, and the fire was extinguished prior to their arrival. The officer instructs the firefighters to ventilate, or remove, the smoke from the apartment by first using a method that will not cause damage to property. Which one of the following would be the most appropriate method for the firefighters to use to remove the smoke?

A) Breaking out all the windows with a crowbar.
B) Pulling down the ceiling with a six-foot hook.
C) Cutting through the floors with an eight-pound axe.
D) Manually opening all the windows and removing the screen.

Firefighters are required to operate on the subway tracks during emergencies in the subway stations. Which one of the following would present the greatest threat to the safety of a firefighter working on the subway tracks?

A) A subway platform crowded with people.
B) Rubbish burning in a small garbage can located on a subway platform.
C) A subway car entering a station.
D) A maintenance crew working on the track.

Firefighters conduct building inspections to locate potential life-threatening conditions in the even there is a fire. Which one of the following would the most-serious threat to life in the event of a fire?

A) An unlocked front door in a building.
B) A locked basement door in a building.
C) A car in the driveway of a building.
D) A building with a missing fire escape.

In March 2011, Obama claimed that the above questions were “racist.”

Obama then ordered the New York Fire Department to hire black firefighters who scored only 30% on that test.

That’s 30% right – not 30% wrong.

30%, on an open book, multiple choice test, with questions so easy that you’d have to be a complete idiot to get them wrong.

One of the unqualified black people that Obama pressured them to hire is a guy named Michael D. Johnson.

As of May 2015, Johnson had been working as a firefighter for the past 11 months, and was getting paid an annual salary of $76,488 by the New York Fire Department for his job as a firefighter.

However, during those 11 months, Johnson refused to actually fight fires.

And his supervisors were afraid to fire him because they didn’t want to be accused of “racism.”

That is what happens when the people in charge value “diversity” instead of “excellence.”
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You keep ascribing actions to Obama in the firefighter lawsuit.

While Obama was the Chief Executive and helps set policy, the Department of Justice operates independently of the president. Presidents -- normal presidents, anyway -- don't tell their Justice Departments which cases to pursue and how to pursue them.

And the Justice Department doesn't order anyone to do anything. It proposes orders, and the party it is litigating against proposes different orders, and then a judge decides what to actually order.

So, assuming your facts are otherwise correct, you could say "In March 2011, the Obama Justice Department claimed that the above questions were racists. A court then ordered the New York Fire Department to hire black firefighters who scored only 30% on that test." Note that the second sentence implies there was merit to the claims made by the DOJ about the test.
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Mississippi police kill man while serving warrant at wrong house

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I'm sure the bodycams will prove the cops had no choice but to kill this guy, unless all of them had them turned off. If that is the case we'll just have to take their word for what went down since cops never lie.
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Firefighters conduct building inspections to locate potential life-threatening conditions in the <b>even</b> there is a fire. Which one of the following would the most-serious threat to life in the event of a fire?
Is the typo part of the test?
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You keep ascribing actions to Obama in the firefighter lawsuit.

While Obama was the Chief Executive and helps set policy, the Department of Justice operates independently of the president. Presidents -- normal presidents, anyway -- don't tell their Justice Departments which cases to pursue and how to pursue them.

And the Justice Department doesn't order anyone to do anything. It proposes orders, and the party it is litigating against proposes different orders, and then a judge decides what to actually order.

So, assuming your facts are otherwise correct, you could say "In March 2011, the Obama Justice Department claimed that the above questions were racists. A court then ordered the New York Fire Department to hire black firefighters who scored only 30% on that test." Note that the second sentence implies there was merit to the claims made by the DOJ about the test.

OK. You make a very reasonable point.

However, I would counter that it is the President who nominates the person who heads the Justice Department.

The President is the C.E.O. of the federal government, so ultimately, it is he or she who is responsible for what the federal government does.
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Mississippi police kill man while serving warrant at wrong house

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017...2221501051117/
The attororney of the dead man said, "Someone didn't take the time to analyze the address."

"Analyze" - that's an interesting choice of words, as if reading the address requires some specific type of skill that one might learn at the police academy, as opposed to just regular reading like you learn in kindergarten.

Also, the family of the dead guy claims that the police shot through the door and that there are bullet holes in the door, whereas the police claim that they only shot after the man opened the door. It seems to me that this dispute could be easily solved with a very brief examination of the door. But apparently, even this is beyond the abilities of whoever is in charge.

So what we have here is an illiterate police force that can't figure out whether or not there are bullet holes in a door. Perhaps this particular jurisdiction should start hiring police officers by picking people at random out of the phone book. I doubt things would end up any worse, and I imagine they would probably end up quite a bit better.
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The President is the C.E.O. of the federal government, so ultimately, it is he or she who is responsible for what the federal government does.
Please tell that to Donald "I don't own it" Trump.
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The attororney of the dead man said, "Someone didn't take the time to analyze the address."

"Analyze" - that's an interesting choice of words, as if reading the address requires some specific type of skill that one might learn at the police academy, as opposed to just regular reading like you learn in kindergarten.

Also, the family of the dead guy claims that the police shot through the door and that there are bullet holes in the door, whereas the police claim that they only shot after the man opened the door. It seems to me that this dispute could be easily solved with a very brief examination of the door. But apparently, even this is beyond the abilities of whoever is in charge.

So what we have here is an illiterate police force that can't figure out whether or not there are bullet holes in a door. Perhaps this particular jurisdiction should start hiring police officers by picking people at random out of the phone book. I doubt things would end up any worse, and I imagine they would probably end up quite a bit better.
This might shock you, but cops don't typically immediately run to the media to report their findings. It is not their job to correct the public record as quickly as possible.

While I certainly know there are bad cops out there, overall they want to do a thorough job so there are no questions.
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Is the typo part of the test?
I don't know. I guess it would depend on whether the Village Voice scanned the test or typed it in by hand when they wrote the article.
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This might shock you, but cops don't typically immediately run to the media to report their findings. It is not their job to correct the public record as quickly as possible.

While I certainly know there are bad cops out there, overall they want to do a thorough job so there are no questions.
I'm only concerned with these particular police, who are, apparently, either too dumb or too lazy to read an address.
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Anyway, these are the kinds of things that happen when the people in charge decide that a written test is "racist."
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Anyway, these are the kinds of things that happen when the people in charge decide that a written test is "racist."
Really? So you don't blame the actual people who made the mistake? Aren't you all about personal responsibility?
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Really? So you don't blame the actual people who made the mistake? Aren't you all about personal responsibility?
I blame the person who made the mistake, but I blame the person who hired them even more. And the higher up the chain it goes, the more I blame them. Whoever decided that written tests are "racist" is the person (or people) most at fault.

One reason the Chernobyl disaster happened is because some of the people running the nuclear plant had actually been trained to run coal plants, not nuclear plants. I blame them to some degree. But I blame whoever hired them to a much bigger degree. The higher up the chain, the more I blame them.

When a parole board votes to give parole to a convicted child molester, and the child molester then goes on to molest another child, I blame the child molester, but I blame the people who voted to give him parole even more. The higher up the chain, the more blame I assign.

Personal responsibility does not just belong to the person who made the mistake. It also belongs to the people who allowed that person to make the mistake in the first place.
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Also, the family of the dead guy claims that the police shot through the door and that there are bullet holes in the door, whereas the police claim that they only shot after the man opened the door. It seems to me that this dispute could be easily solved with a very brief examination of the door. But apparently, even this is beyond the abilities of whoever is in charge.
Not necessarily... the door could have been opened, the shooting started (for whatever reason) and the guy tried to close the door for some sort of protection/natural reaction. W/O seeing or knowing any more about the scene and what happened it's hard to say whether or not the existence of bullet holes in the door validates either version of the events.
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Years ago, I did get my house broken into & burglarized, but thankfully I wasn't home at the time. However, if someone ever tried to break into my house when I was home, I wouldn't call the authorities - but would do anything I needed to do to protect myself & my home. After all, a man (or woman's) home is their castle, and once someone tries to break into the one place you should feel safe, all bets are off.

Calling the authorities if my home got broken into would probably result in my either getting hurt or killed by them, or at the least getting in trouble for no reason. Fuck that.

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Good luck. You can do a search. I've told this story before. I once had a woman plow into a telephone pole in front of my apartment. I called the cops because when I went downstairs to investigate she punched me. When the cops showed up they didn't give two shits. I told them , "she's parked over there." They didn't investigate.
Unfortunately, women get a pass for the same crimes that men go to prison for. This has been extremely obvious to me for as long as I was old enough to pay attention to these things. If you're a man & you call the authorities to report a woman committing a crime, I'm sure that:

1) They won't care.

2) You'll be the one being questioned and/or getting in trouble yourself.

Here's the proof:

https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-va...o-prison-mrzs/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1874742.html

Hell, even feminists freely admit this bias towards women & against men when it comes to crimes:

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Uh oh. I've attracted a red pill.

If only the member here that my posts were intended for would return from the policeman's ball and respond.
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