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Old 01-24-16, 11:52 AM
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Maybe that guy should stick with bicycles with training wheels so he can see others around him and gradually move up to more adult-like motor vehicles.

Enjoying a fast ride is great. Nothing wrong with that. Just be responsible to take the consequences and be alert. The faster you go...the more alert you should be. Like you said, common sense. And this guy, like so many motorcyclists I've seen on the road...don't have much. It's unfortunate we have so many bikers making bad names for those who ride responsibly and actually have the brainpower to lookout for cops and pullover when tagged.
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Old 01-24-16, 12:57 PM
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1. The agent was found guilty of assault. A 20+ year FBI vet was found GUILTY. You may not see how this was none of his business and you may not see the escalation, but the jury managed to. You and I may simply disagree with whether it was his business or not. But the jury decided that even if it was his business, he was guilty of assault. You know how CM always says it would be nice if we had all the evidence? Well, the jury did, and they found him guilty of assault. No one else was even arrested, much less charged with anything. He got a slap on the wrist because of his service. How can this be defended when in a group of people, the one guy that should be able to use their training to keep a potentially volatile situation from blowing up, is the only guy who was arrested, and despite being a cop, was found guilty because of his behavior while armed and off-duty. It's all there in the article.

2. You seem to keep treating this like a cop showed up in uniform to a domestic disturbance. He was not in uniform. He did not identify himself. He was aggressive to the kid's father. The kid had no way of even knowing this guy was a cop. He then assaulted (PROVED IN COURT) the kid, had his gun on him and "subconsciously" threatened to shoot him. At this point THEY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS A COP!!!!! As far as they would know, this was just one's of Mom's friends who suddenly went unhinged and pulled a gun on a 15 year old kid. PEOPLE CALLED 911 BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS. I agree that there are extenuating circumstances when a cop shoots a kid with a toy gun, but I feel like you must not understand the actual article because this kid had no way of knowing (nor did his dad) that the GUY WHO JUST PULLED A GUN ON HIM AND THREATENED TO SHOOT HIM DIDN'T IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS LAW ENFORCEMENT. Seriously, if you don't understand this, you and I won't get anywhere. This seems obviously open and shut to me (and the jury) and you are still looking for ways to defend a guy who started a problem, escalated the problem, had the cops called on him, and was found guilty.

3. He should have identified himself as law enforcement and contacted the local police. HE WAS AN OFF DUTY COUNTER TERRORISM FBI AGENT WHO DID NOT IDENTIFY HIMSELF. Given what he does, he may not even have sufficient or recent training on how to treat a domestic dispute (given that he created it), so what should he have done? What we would expect an ordinary citizen to do.

Given the article and the guilty verdict, I simply don't see how these things aren't obvious. If that doesn't clear it up for you, I don't think I have the ability to make it more clear. Sorry.
Your numbered points have nothing to do with my numbered points.
You are saying officer misconduct, which I don't disagree with. But then you bring in these other things "15 year old boy" "none of his business" "SEE HOW BAD" -- these I don't agree with at all.

I totally agree with you that the boy didn't know he was assaulting a LEO. Just like the dude didn't know he was against a 15 year old minor.
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Old 01-24-16, 02:24 PM
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I'm not sure what result you expect for an altercation where nobody was hurt, with an offender who had no criminal history? People get put on deferred adjudication for misdemeanors constantly. That's the norm in my experience, not the exception.

Yeah, with court mandated anger-management classes as well. I would agree.
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Maybe that guy should stick with bicycles with training wheels so he can see others around him and gradually move up to more adult-like motor vehicles.

Enjoying a fast ride is great. Nothing wrong with that. Just be responsible to take the consequences and be alert. The faster you go...the more alert you should be. Like you said, common sense. And this guy, like so many motorcyclists I've seen on the road...don't have much. It's unfortunate we have so many bikers making bad names for those who ride responsibly and actually have the brainpower to lookout for cops and pullover when tagged.
I hear statements like this and think, "Maybe so, but what the cop did was still wrong." It feels like excusing the bad behavior of a cop because someone is a jerk. I don't expect the fry guy at McDonald's to engage in bad behavior, like spitting in the fries, because someone was an asshole. Similarly, I don't expect cops to engage in bad behavior, like not being able to keep that trigger leg under control , because someone is an asshole.
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I totally agree with you that the boy didn't know he was assaulting a LEO. Just like the dude didn't know he was against a 15 year old minor.
This makes it sound like you are setting the same expectation standard on both a 20 year FBI vet and a 15 year old kid. I think the FBI agent could reasonably be expected to come a lot closer to guessing the kid's age than the kid could be expected to guess the off-duty agent's occupation. And if the agent really is a friend of the mom's, why doesn't he know about how old her kids are? I don't understand how we are arguing about that.

You know how cops say (and I agree completely) that for every 1 speeder that is caught, there are a hundred (or whatever number, but it is large) that don't get caught? Same is true for prostitution busts, drug busts, and everything else. I think the same is true for cops that throw their weight around off duty, on stop, and when engaging in civil seizure. That's why this story is important, imo.
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Old 01-24-16, 04:18 PM
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And if the agent really is a friend of the mom's, why doesn't he know about how old her kids are? I don't understand how we are arguing about that.
Was the 15 year old her kid?
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Now and ex-cop, this guy raped his 15 year old niece and gave her herpes.

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Wow.

New Jersey Cop Sentenced to Five Years in Prison After Dash Cam Video Proved He Lied on Arrest Report


A New Jersey cop who did not think twice about lying on a police report to send a man to prison was sentenced to five years in prison on Friday without the eligibility of parole.

And only because his dash cam contradicted his police report.


Otherwise, it may have been Marcus Jeter sentenced to prison on charges of eluding, resisting arrest, aggravated assault and attempting to disarm a police officer.

Instead, it was Bloomfield police officer Orlando Trinidad convicted on charges of simple assault, official misconduct, conspiracy to commit official misconduct, tampering with public records, falsifying public records and false swearing.

His partner in crime, Bloomfield police officer Sean Courter, was also convicted last November
and was scheduled to be sentenced on Friday, but his sentencing was postponed, according to the Associated Press.

But like Trinidad, Courter is also facing a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.

A third cop who also falsified reports, Albert Sutterlin, pleaded guilty in 2013 and agreed to testify against the other two cops in a five-week trial that ended with their convictions in November 2015.

“I am truly sorry for everything that has transpired,” Trinidad said through tears, while wearing a prison uniform and with his hands cuffed in front of him. “I am a different man today as I stand here before you. I am a humbled man.”

“He was a good cop and now he’s lost all that,” his attorney, Frank Arleo, added. (does not seem like the actions of a good cop to me)

Now he will be a convict. A career flushed down the toilet because he figured he could lie and get away with it.

And he would have gotten away with it had he not driven his car in the opposite direction on the Garden State Parkway, striking Jeter’s car after it had been pulled over by Courter on the night of June 6, 2012.

That aggressive act positioned his patrol car directly in front of Jeter’s car, showing Jeter’s had his hands raised when both Trinidad and Courter yelled at him to get out of the car, shattering his window and dragging him out, laying him down on the ground while ordering him to stop resisting and to stop grabbing their gun – obviously for the benefit of the camera.

“I’m not grabbing,” Jeter kept saying. “I did nothing wrong.”

Sutterlin walked up moments before they dragged him out of the car and later claimed he saw nothing, but went ahead with the lies in his report because he just assumed his fellow cops were telling the truth.

This is how it all unraveled, according to NJ.com:

The series of events leading to Jeter’s arrest began when Courter and a third officer, Albert Sutterlin, responded to a domestic-related call at Jeter’s Bloomfield home. His girlfriend’s sister called 911 after Jeter threw the girlfriend’s cell phone down a staircase during a verbal argument.

Soon after the officers arrived, Jeter left the residence. Courter has claimed Jeter was drunk and fled after he had ordered him to stop, but Jeter has said he was not drunk and that Courter indicated he could leave the residence.

Among other alleged lies, Arleo claimed Jeter was lying about being allowed to leave the home, noting how Courter immediately ran to his patrol vehicle and reported to other police officers via radio that “he just took off on me.”

After Courter later stopped Jeter on Parkway, followed by Sutterlin, the officers approached Jeter’s vehicle with their guns drawn and ordered him to get out. Trinidad arrived at the scene and struck the front of Jeter’s car with his patrol vehicle.

Jeter told ABC News that he did not get out of the car because he was in fear for his life considering he was surrounded by two cops with guns drawn, including one with a shotgun.

Initially, only Courter’s video was released to his attorney prior to his trial. But when his attorney demanded Trinidad’s footage, that was what led to Jeter’s charges being dismissed.

Jeter has since filed a lawsuit.
This is probably so rare that this may actually be the first time it has ever happened. I think there is no cause for alarm going forward.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
And if the agent really is a friend of the mom's, why doesn't he know about how old her kids are? I don't understand how we are arguing about that.
Was the 15 year old her kid?

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I don't know. I'm laughing at the lengths you are going to to try to justify what the agent who was convicted of assault did. A 20 year vet in the FBI should be held to a higher standard. And his 20 years should give him enough of a knowledge base to be able to assess the age of a 15 year old. And if it is just a reflex to tell someone that he will shoot them, hopefully in anger management classes someone tells him, "Was trying to impress this gal really worth it?"

If the 15 year old kid was just some random kid on the street, it would not change the fact that the agent was convicted of assault. His age doesn't matter to that charge. I don't see how that is relevant in any way when he was already found guilty. If I were to say, "he was just the baby daddy's kid and not the ex-wife's," how would that change anything?

He should never have been involved. He got involved. He got convicted of assault. Everything you are asking about does not matter.
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I don't know. I'm laughing at the lengths you are going to to try to justify what the agent who was convicted of assault did.
I'm not going to "lengths". In your arguments, you make random claims -- which I have a problem with. You stated the 15 year old was the woman's son.

It seems you've made up your mind about cops, and in incidents involving law enforcement you have a tendency to make up stuff to support your "cops bad" belief. I find this quite problematic as I have to go and verify everything you post and view your postings as "fiction -- based on real events".

If you're sincerely trying to bring errant behavior of cops to light, making up stuff is hurting your cause.
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https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...after-verdict/

But FBI Agent Gerald Rogero’s intrusive attempts at heroism led to him assaulting and threatening to shoot the 15-year-old son of the estranged husband’s girlfriend.
Okay, now please let me know how this changes anything. Is it because the officer didn't know the kid that his assault is justified and the conviction should be overturned? He interjected himself into a dispute and created the entire situation. Had he minded his own business, a 15 year old kid would not have had a gun pulled on him and the agent would not have been found guilty of assault.

But now that we know the 20 year FBI vet wouldn't have known the age of the kids, is it excusable? Is the argument that it isn't really wrong of the agent since a 20 year FBI vet wouldn't be very good at guessing the age of people?

I have no idea how this means anything. A jury found the guy guilty.
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https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...after-verdict/

Story of a mentally ill prisoner who was in prison serving 2 years for cocaine. He was schizophrenic and had some other issues. He was in a special area that houses criminals with mental problems. That place has had problems in the past.

Mentally ill guy shits his pants and the guards put him in a small shower they have for such situations. Shower is controlled from the outside. They leave the heat on and leave him in for 2 hours.
Prison officers took him to the small shower, which had been rigged to be controlled from an adjoining room, locked the door and left him there for up two hours as the stall filled with steam. Harold Hempstead, an inmate-orderly who was in a cell almost directly below the shower, told the Miami Herald he heard Rainey screaming for forgiveness.

When staff finally took Rainey out of the stall, his skin seemingly melted off — a condition known as “slippage” caused by prolonged exposure to water, humidity and the “warm, moist” environment, the autopsy reported, sources said.


He had no “thermal” injuries, or burns, on his body, the autopsy reported.
This happened in 2012. They took more than 3 years for an official autopsy report. That isn't released yet as they are still investigating.
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Had he minded his own business, a 15 year old kid would not have had a gun pulled on him and the agent would not have been found guilty of assault.
Conversely, had the 15 year old not indicated he was going to assault, he would not have had a gun pulled on him.

We have the woman.
woman->friends/BF = agent
woman->ex-husband->GF->son = 15 year old.

It was less of a business of the 15 year old, than that of the agent.
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Yet the agent is an adult with 20 years service and training, and you want to put blame on a kid.....when a jury has already said who was to blame. Argue that out yourself. You are blaming the victim, if one were to believe what the court case said.

Conversely, had she not worn a short dress, she wouldn't have been raped. That is exactly what you are doing. Blaming the victim. I say "victim" because that is what he was considered in the assault conviction.

maybe the kid deserved to be shot and the jury got it all wrong. I'm honestly dumbfounded that this is a point of contention....blaming the 15 year old victim instead of the 45 year old off-duty FBI agent who was convicted of assault.
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....blaming the 15 year old victim instead of the 45 year old off-duty FBI agent who was convicted of assault.
Not instead of, in addition to.

The 15 year old threatened assault first (lets assume to a civilian), I don't get why you consider that to be trivial.
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Not instead of, in addition to.

The 15 year old threatened assault first (lets assume to a civilian), I don't get why you consider that to be trivial.
The article contained the following:
At this point, the 15-year-old boy, wearing a red sweatshirt, walked up close to Rogero, standing about 18 inches away.

It was unclear on the video what he said. During the trial, Rogero would testify that the teenager used vulgar terms to say he was about to attack.


I'm not sure it's a fact that the 15 year old threatened him at all. The video did not capture this and we only have the FBI agent's self-serving statement that he did. Or do you have a different source that confirms this? Did the teenager admit to threatening him?
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The article contained the following:
At this point, the 15-year-old boy, wearing a red sweatshirt, walked up close to Rogero, standing about 18 inches away.

It was unclear on the video what he said. During the trial, Rogero would testify that the teenager used vulgar terms to say he was about to attack.


I'm not sure it's a fact that the 15 year old threatened him at all. The video did not capture this and we only have the FBI agent's self-serving statement that he did. Or do you have a different source that confirms this? Did the teenager admit to threatening him?
I don't have any confirmation.
Chances are that the agent is telling the truth as there were other witnesses, and perjury opens up a whole can of bad things. However, there is still a chance the agent committed perjury.
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You may not like the guy filming this video but what's interesting is the conversation between the police after they confiscate his camera, unaware that it is recording.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Aizm05nCVkE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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Sounds like there was a failure to respect their authoritah. insert officer_cartman.jpg
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You may not like the guy filming this video but what's interesting is the conversation between the police after they confiscate his camera, unaware that it is recording.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Aizm05nCVkE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Get on your knee pads, boys, it's time to defend these heroic cops.
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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...mily-whose-dog
Commerce City pays $262,500 to family whose dog was killed by cop

Officer Robert Price was acquitted in Adams County in the case

Commerce City will pay a $262,500 settlement to a family whose 3-year-old dog, Chloe, was shot and killed by a police officer in 2012.

The payout ends years of legal battles between Gary Branson, owner of the mixed-breed therapy dog, and Commerce City's police department.

"The city's out-of-pocket cost was a $50,000 deductible," said Michelle Halstead, spokeswoman for Commerce City. "Our insurance agent covered the rest."

The Animal Law Center in 2013 filed a civil suit in the case on behalf of Branson that was pending in federal court when the settlement was reached. Halstead said the payout was resolved in mediation. The Animal Law Center said the settlement was the largest of its kind.

"I am happy that we have been vindicated," Branson said. "She deserved justice for what happened to her. This has been a very difficult time for me and am glad that it is now settled."

The settlement was first reported Monday by KDVR-TV.

Records show notice of the settlement was filed in court on Friday. A trial in the civil suit was set to begin in February.

Chloe was killed on Nov. 24, 2012, when police were called to a Commerce City neighborhood about a dog running loose. Police tried to capture the dog with catchpoles and used a Taser before Officer Robert Price shot the dog five times.

A neighbor recorded the incident and posted the video on social media, quickly sparking questions and anger from animal advocates and pet lovers.

Price was acquitted in October 2013 by an Adams County jury of aggravated animal cruelty in the shooting.
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Officer accidentally shoots motorcyclist. Considering the guy is bleeding, they are both downright courteous to each other, but it is Minnesota, so they are apologizing a lot. You'd think a gunshot wound was probably sufficient punishment, but the driver was still convicted of fleeing.

Terrible weapon handling though, not 1 but 2 negligent shots here, and while I'm not sure if charges are the right thing, I don't think you should be allowed to continue carrying a weapon after that.
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WOW! Obviously accidental, buy yeah, the guy should not be allowed to continue carrying a weapon.

Holy shit that is awful.
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