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Dave99 12-10-15 11:52 PM

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Some follow-up on this shooting, it appears from stills from the video show the officers finger was on the trigger, not on the trigger guard as per department policy. Police experts believe the officer fired "sympathetic gunfire" in response to the noise from the taser. The finger is supposed to be on the trigger guard for exactly this reason.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e48939060.html

So, if that is the case, is sympathetic gunfire manslaughter or a legitimate defense?

Dave99 12-11-15 09:59 AM

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Officer will face no charges after "accidentally" shooting a man in the neck after a car crash, likely paralyzing him. The officer initially didn't say anything to anyone about the shooting, instead calling on the radio that he had a black male in the car who refused to get out. It was 11 minutes before anyone realized he was shot. It wasn't until the commanding officer on the scene suggested someone go back to the bar the victim was in to see if he had been shot there, that the officer suggested he might have discharged his weapon.

From the DA: Ramsey said the evidence in this case shows the shooting to be accidental, and possibly negligent, but not criminally so. “This shooting is not justified, but also not criminal."

How is an accidental shooting like this only "possibly" negligent. He either intended to shoot him in which case it would potentially be criminal, or he didn't, in which case it was accidental and entirely negligent. There is no in-between. It's this kind of word jockeying bullshit that makes people not believe any of what is said about these incidents.

Video at link showing officer butterfingers shooting the guy.
http://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/da...will-be-filed/

JimRochester 12-11-15 04:09 PM

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Usually I can shed some light on a question in regards to how LEO's are trained or would likely react. I got nuthin on this one. The only thing I can think of is the DA is assuming their isn't enough evidence to rise to the level where he would confident enough to bring charges but I'm throwing darts at a board.

Giantrobo 12-11-15 04:33 PM

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Ex Officers talking about Race Issues in the LAPD and Law Enforcement in general.

Mentions:

-Angry Cops dealing with PTSD.
-Cops being held personally financially responsible for things they do that cost cities millions.
-Bad Cops are in the Minority.
-Cops being able to screw up and simply move on to other PD's. No paper trial of their problematic behavior.
-Officers making up "probable cause"
-Many more...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/e-rS8gTahfc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Nick Danger 12-11-15 07:49 PM

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Albuquerque police union president arrested on child abuse charges

Updated: 12/11/2015 7:33 AM | Created: 12/10/2015 8:38 PM
Blair Miller, KOB.com

The president of the Albuquerque Police Officers Association was released from jail on bond overnight after her arrest on child abuse charges Thursday.

Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department spokesman Sgt. Aaron Williamson confirmed deputies started an investigation into APOA President Stephanie Lopez, 40, Wednesday and arrested her Thursday.

She faces child abuse without great bodily harm and bribery/intimidation/retaliation of a witness charges.

The criminal complaint for Lopez's arrest says the alleged abuse happened Tuesday, when Lopez allegedly hit her 14-year-old daughter "repeatedly in the head and facial area." APD was notified Wednesday.

The girl told school staff Tuesday her mother had hit her in the head and was taken to the school resource officer, who notified CYFD and APD. APD then referred the case to BCSO because of the conflict of interest.

A CYFD investigator briefly interviewed the girl, but the interview was stopped and the girl was taken to a safe house for a forensic interview.

The girl told investigators her mother, Lopez, got upset when the girl failed to tell her a utility shut off notice had been posted to their front door. Lopez allegedly hit her daughter "several times in the face causing significant bruising and pulled her hair before throwing her to the floor," according to the criminal complaint.

When Lopez dropped her daughter off at school, the criminal complaint says she asked why her daughter "decided not to wear makeup today." Lopez then allegedly told her daughter, "…think about what you say today at school; you won't be with me; you won't have your freedom. What happened to you was your fault."

The criminal complaint says the daughter was scared to go home for fear of retaliation. It also says the daughter requested that nobody from Lopez's side of the family be told about the situation "because they will lie for, and cover-up anything that Stephanie does."

The girl said her younger brother and older sister witnessed the alleged abuse. The criminal complaint says the younger brother confirmed the girl's account of the incident to the CYFD investigator.

Lopez told investigators should needed to speak to an attorney before speaking with detectives.

Albuquerque Police Department spokesman Tanner Tixier said that as of 8:45 p.m. Thursday, "no one" from APD had read the criminal complaint filed against her or had been briefed on the specifics of the case.

"Any further statements would not be appropriate until we have had the opportunity to thoroughly review the charges," Tixier said.

Lopez is being held on a $5,000 cash-only bond at the Metropolitan Detention Center. She was booked just after 6:30 p.m. Thursday.

KOB has reached out to the APOA and city for comment, but has not received a reply yet.
You would think that the head of the police union would be aware that APD officers are under close scrutiny right now, and would avoid this kind of thing. But this isn't her first run-in with the law.

Dave99 12-12-15 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JimRochester (Post 12669060)
Usually I can shed some light on a question in regards to how LEO's are trained or would likely react. I got nuthin on this one. The only thing I can think of is the DA is assuming their isn't enough evidence to rise to the level where he would confident enough to bring charges but I'm throwing darts at a board.

yeah, his behavior is just weird. It's almost like he didn't want to believe what he had just done, so he just noped it right out of his brain.

DVD Polizei 12-12-15 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave99 (Post 12668628)
Officer will face no charges after "accidentally" shooting a man in the neck after a car crash, likely paralyzing him. The officer initially didn't say anything to anyone about the shooting, instead calling on the radio that he had a black male in the car who refused to get out. It was 11 minutes before anyone realized he was shot. It wasn't until the commanding officer on the scene suggested someone go back to the bar the victim was in to see if he had been shot there, that the officer suggested he might have discharged his weapon.

From the DA: Ramsey said the evidence in this case shows the shooting to be accidental, and possibly negligent, but not criminally so. “This shooting is not justified, but also not criminal."

How is an accidental shooting like this only "possibly" negligent. He either intended to shoot him in which case it would potentially be criminal, or he didn't, in which case it was accidental and entirely negligent. There is no in-between. It's this kind of word jockeying bullshit that makes people not believe any of what is said about these incidents.

Video at link showing officer butterfingers shooting the guy.
http://www.actionnewsnow.com/news/da...will-be-filed/

Accidental and negligent are two different things. So is criminal. To say somebody did something criminal-------how many fucking times do I have to type this------means they had criminal motives. Let me underline that for the hard of understanding. I suppose I could bold it too.

This officer had absolutely ZERO criminal motivations from the video I saw.

Unless somebody can bring evidence the cop purposely got DUI Dude drunk, then waited for him to drive, then drove the idiot DUI Dude into a rollover, then waited for DUI Dude to pop out of his vehicle, and shot DUI Dude on purpose, intending to kill, because he was fucking DUI Dude's wife...then ok, we're going somewhere with criminal intent.

In any case, this guy won't be driving while drunk anymore. :up:

Dave99 12-12-15 02:24 PM

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Perhaps before your tirade about how many times must you write it, you should read what you are responding to. It was a question, it was either criminal, or it was accidental & negligent (not using the term criminally negligent here, just negligent), it was not a statement that is absolutely was criminal. You might think those terms are different, but in this case, it's not. It's called a negligent discharge. Negligence is right in the name of the term. This wasn't a holstering/unholstering issue, or dropping the weapon and somehow catching it by the trigger, which could maybe be seen as accidental (note: many people, gun experts and numerous military & police forces around the world only acknowledge negligent discharges, there is no such thing as an accidental discharge). This officer drew his weapon and intentionally aimed it at someone and pulled the trigger without meaning to. That's not accidental, it's complete negligence to the basics of gun safety and likely a violation of his department policy, similar to the miami shooting above. I'd imagine the DA only alluded to it being possibly negligent to try and soften the impact the inevitable civil lawsuit that the city will lose or settle.

I will agree that it's more likely than not that this was indeed not an intentional shooting, but his delay in saying anything about it for 11 minutes raises an eyebrow.

Regardless, even if it's not criminal, this person should have his accreditation pulled and never be allowed to be an police officer again. He plainly violated gun safety guidelines, which he acknowledges in the DA statement, and was not even certain he had discharged his weapon due to shock. That means he has already demonstrated an inability to cope with a stressful situation, to the point of forgetting massively important parts of a situation, like firing your weapon. A .45 is not quiet nor gentle, I've put a fair amount of rounds through them. His credibility will always be in question, defense attorneys will have a field day attacking him on any case.

Lawyer: well your report says this is what happened during this incident, but remember that time you forgot you fired your weapon and shot someone in the neck? Is it possible you were in shock again and have all these details completely wrong?
cop: ...

General Zod 12-12-15 09:40 PM

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This was today in Lynwood CA. He did have a gun and it's hard to see if he turned around and pointed it at them but.. people are upset.


inri222 12-14-15 09:24 AM

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New video released in controversial fatal police shooting of Gilbert Flores

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2463601

Dave99 12-14-15 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12670866)
New video released in controversial fatal police shooting of Gilbert Flores

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2463601

I'm not sure how a grand jury declined to indict, at least let a trial answer this question. Another motionless guy, with his hands up, gets killed. He had already approached the police once and they didn't fire, then they do fire when he's just standing there. It doesn't make any sense.

In the first video, his hand was obscured, this video makes it even more clear he wasn't doing anything.

Dave99 12-14-15 02:14 PM

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10 posts above you eddie.

EddieMoney 12-14-15 02:26 PM

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dAMN!!!!!!!!!!

Dave99 12-15-15 11:15 PM

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You might recall last year, a police detective wanted to fill a 17 year old with viagra, so photos of his erect penis could be compared to photos he allegedly sent his 15 year old girlfriend. The 17 year old's attorney at one point said "who does this? it's just crazy". The detective sued the attorney for defamation, saying he received threats and people were assuming he was a pedophile.

Well, it turns out he probably was. He was due to be arrested today for a variety of crimes with 2 young boys. In a money saving move for the state, the officer killed himself after a standoff with police.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...8bb_story.html

DVD Polizei 12-15-15 11:40 PM

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I would look into all cases where this LEO contributed to any portion of the chain of evidence to convict a defendant.

And it does appear the community is better with him dead.

inri222 12-21-15 03:29 PM

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New video raises questions in deadly police shooting

http://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/20...lencia-pkg.cnn

inri222 12-28-15 09:07 AM

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Talk about overreacting...............

Confusion, language barrier contribute to Henderson police dog biting child — VIDEO

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/la...ng-child-video

covenant 12-28-15 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave99 (Post 12668409)
How many times in history, roughly - I don't need a specific number, has someone with a knife standing at 10+ feet from anyone, filleted someone's face, when surrounded by multiple officers with weapons drawn and aimed?

Here's one, action starts about 7 minutes in...

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Dave99 12-28-15 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by covenant (Post 12682419)
Here's one, action starts about 7 minutes in...

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/75RTkGbiJpk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I fail to see any weapons at the ready and aimed there. I see one guy with an AK looking weapon, and a bunch of cops with machetes. And the 1 guy with the gun has it casually at his waist, and loses every advantage he has when he climbs over that fence and closes the distance. That's a pretty far cry from a guy on a city street surround by multiple officers with weapons out.

DVD Polizei 12-28-15 04:23 PM

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Well, I think you fail to see the man with a knife.

The point isn't about cops having guns. We know guns can kill.

The point is demonstrating one man with one knife can be deadly.

Which is why having guns is absolutely necessary.

Also, if these local police officers did have guns, the man with a knife would have been shot much sooner, resulting in one person's life being saved and the crazy idiot being dead.

But then we'd probably be asking why cops had to kill only one man with a knife and how could such a tragedy occur.

Dave99 12-28-15 09:24 PM

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Do you even read polizei? Go back to the prior posts to find the point being made here.

inri222 12-30-15 10:56 AM

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I get it, asset forfeiture for not speaking English. :sarcasm:

North shore police officer stole money from Hispanic motorists, State Police say

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...ficer_sto.html

DVD Polizei 12-30-15 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave99 (Post 12682894)
Do you even read polizei? Go back to the prior posts to find the point being made here.

You're asking me if I can read...

...then ask me to go back and read something. -screwy-

In any case, YOU SAID:


Originally Posted by Dave99
How many times in history, roughly - I don't need a specific number, has someone with a knife standing at 10+ feet from anyone, filleted someone's face, when surrounded by multiple officers with weapons drawn and aimed?

So, just because something doesn't happen that often...you're saying incidents like this aren't dangerous?

Shit, you're right. I should have read what you posted earlier. It's even more outrageous.

Oh but, wait. There's more. You'll comment about a person being surrounded by 1,000 police officers, and how that somehow negates the danger of the situation.

Once again, you've never been in the presence of somebody with a knife who could slash your body before you even comprehended drawing a weapon on them. Believe it or not, a knife can be more dangerous than a gun...even with many officers around you. The time it takes you to unholster your gun and point it...you've been stabbed in the gut. And having MORE OFFICERS around you can make the situation worse, because you're not focusing entirely on the subject with a knife, but keeping track of your peers and their movements. One might run into you fleeing from the knife attacker, knock you temporarily off for a second, and the attacker slashes you just because you were there.

Dave99 12-30-15 02:49 PM

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We were talking about a couple instances of a man with a knife in the middle of a street, surrounded by officers with firearms already out and aimed (miami, chicago, and could include dallas a couple years ago). You keep talking about unholstering & aiming etc relating to the 21 foot rule. That's not what we are talking about. I get that part takes additional time and focus. Keep on the point I'm making, regarding these 2 specific instances.

Not saying anything so asinine as you are implying, that I think it's not dangerous. Of course it's dangerous. Danger doesn't give a free ticket to shoot however.

In that video above with the machete, that guy should have gotten smoked by the cop with the AK as soon as he charged and I would have fully approved, but there were all sorts of tactical fails there.

And I asked do you read, not if you could read. There is a difference.

Ranger 01-06-16 09:53 PM

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Texas trooper who arrested Sandra Bland charged with perjury
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/us...land.html?_r=0

Grand jury didn't buy his claim that he removed Bland from the car to safer conduct the investigation. It was obvious he just didn't like her attitude and was power tripping.


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