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Trevor 11-07-15 03:36 PM

Re: The "Cops Behaving Badly" Thread
 
I've pretty much been leaning into the anti-cop bandwagon lately, but that was a justifiable shooting in my opinion. He was clearly reaching down his leg at one point, and then into his body several times. Could have easily have had a weapon.

inri222 11-07-15 05:29 PM

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Austin Police Reviewing Video of Officers Punching Handcuffed Man, Detaining Two Others

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ng-two-n459261

inri222 11-07-15 05:35 PM

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Birmingham police reconsider officer's medal after dash cam video released

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in...art_river_home

slop101 11-07-15 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell (Post 12638723)
Cop screaming to show his hands when he is showing his. Cop thinking he is reaching for something while she is shocking him and can't control his hands. Another cop gets away with murder.

On top of that, she sounds like she had completely lost her fucking marbles, as if that guy was a zombie or something. Don't these people go through some sort of evaluation and/or training to properly deal with these situations. Because this cop comes off completely unprepared as if she's had zero training or knowledge on how to deal with a situation like this.

Dave99 11-07-15 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12639095)
Birmingham police reconsider officer's medal after dash cam video released

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in...art_river_home

The medal they pulled was the "combat cross medal'.

Seriously? It's not war and not combat, it's policing. Just reinforcing this stupid warrior mentality.

DVD Polizei 11-08-15 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave99 (Post 12639197)
The medal they pulled was the "combat cross medal'.

Seriously? It's not war and not combat, it's policing. Just reinforcing this stupid warrior mentality.

Tell that to an LA cop. :lol:

But I will agree, in this case, it's an embarrassment.

arminius 11-08-15 04:53 PM

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The militarization of cops is wrong on every single level and is only justified if you are planning to put down an insurrection. So is what is happening in the US, just different departments all making the same mistake or is there a federal push behind it?

The change of using SWAT for drug raids rather than hostage or serious violent crimes in progress is also idiotic and should be outlawed immediately. No one cares if some bit of drugs is flushed away and the damage done in human terms on these raids is out of all proportion to any societal benefit.

These are just common sense actions and I do not understand why it is allowed to go on.

JimRochester 11-08-15 05:30 PM

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There was a federal push of sorts. The AR-15's came after 9/11 as part of Homeland Security. Very few departments would actually be able to afford the big equipment. Most of that with few exceptions is military surplus.

inri222 11-09-15 08:00 AM

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http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/tuscal...rs-names-cops/

Videos Show Police Beating Students During Arrest in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

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Dave99 11-09-15 10:04 AM

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Probably all could have been avoided if they didn't answer their door in the first place.

And good thing they arrested that shrieking chick, god she was annoying.

Giantrobo 11-09-15 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei (Post 12639046)
(not sure if this was posted yet)

Louisiana Police Arrest 2 Officers in 6-Year Old Boy's Shooting Death

5 bullets in the kid's body alone.

Surprisingly, these officers were arrested due to body cam footage. :up:

I highly doubt we'll ever see the footage until after there is a court trial.


http://i63.tinypic.com/v4zdp2.jpg

Lt Ripley 11-09-15 04:59 PM

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Looks like they were arrested 3 days after the incident. I may not understand the definition of "immediately" though.

Wonder if the kid would still be alive if Few wouldn't have fled?

Dave99 11-09-15 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt Ripley (Post 12640597)
Looks like they were arrested 3 days after the incident. I may not understand the definition of "immediately" though.

Wonder if the kid would still be alive if Few wouldn't have fled?

Arresting a police officer for a shooting in 3 days is essentially light speed in that world.

As for the fleeing, I'd be curious to see what kind of vehicle the officers were using before making any judgments since they were operating as marshals and not normal police ie a fully marked police cruiser, or some unmarked random car that doesn't look anything like a police vehicle.

Lt Ripley 11-09-15 05:11 PM

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Oh.

CaptainMarvel 11-09-15 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 12640573)

It shouldn't surprise me that people are stupid enough to boil it down to "two blacks cops and a white kid" regardless of any of the other circumstances.


Originally Posted by Dave99
Arresting a police officer for a shooting in 3 days is essentially light speed in that world.

Most police shootings aren't as clear cut. When they are (e.g. Walter Scott's killer, arrested in 3 days), the arrests happen relatively quickly. In some cases they want to wait until the next grand jury convenes so they can proceed by indictment (e.g. the officer that shot DuBose was indicted within 10 days). There are good reasons why a prosecutor would do that.

inri222 11-09-15 05:44 PM

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The plot thickens, a personal vendetta?

Video appears to show motorist had hands up before marshals killed boy

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-m...illed-his-boy/

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Josh-da-man 11-10-15 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantrobo (Post 12640573)

Usually when stuff like that happens the driver of the car would be held resonsible for the death of the kid, no?

Robertwoj 11-10-15 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12640628)
The plot thickens, a personal vendetta?

Video appears to show motorist had hands up before marshals killed boy

Okay.... But did the boy have HIS hands up?

slop101 11-10-15 09:49 AM

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Measured response for dealing with jaywalkers!

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Dave99 11-10-15 10:55 AM

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They could have been armed jaywalkers. Armed with WMD's I tell you.

kvrdave 11-10-15 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12641075)
Measured response for dealing with jaywalkers!

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Cops are such good people. See how safe Austin is now? :lol:

Bunch of fuckwits. I'll wait until I hear how the police could have been in danger and that's why this was all just good police work.

GreenMonkey 11-10-15 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMarvel (Post 12638812)

This guy was not incapacitated. If you get good contact and a sufficient spread with the taser probes, it causes neuromuscular disruption, which makes the person lose control of their body. If you don't get a sufficient spread, or if there isn't good contact with the probes, electricity may flow and hurt, but it's not going to cause you to lose control of your limbs, or make it where you "can't control your hands." You are entirely capable of fighting through the pain at that point, and it doesn't cause some sort of cartoon-like flailing. This guy was being hurt every time the taser was applied, but he was not incapacitated, and he was clearly trying to fight through it

During the periods when she's not applying electricity (you can hear the clicking sound stop), it is very clear he's not being compliant. At around :37 he starts to reach into his jacket (prompting another round of electricity). If I had seen that, my assumption at that point would be, "he is armed."

You can see him reaching down at around the :50 second mark ... while the taser is active (again, not incapacitated)... and trying to pull out one of the wires. If you pause, you can even see the wire in his hand.

From about :55 to 1:13, she isn't applying any current whatsoever. He's still trying to crawl away, and he still keeps putting his hands under his body.

I mean, she keeps zapping him, aren't most people going to react badly to pain and maybe not act rationally?

Wouldn't she stop zapping him and keep the gun trained on him and wait see if he is going to draw a weapon? He's laying on his stomach, is it that much of a risk that he pulls a gun and rolls over and shoots her?

inri222 11-10-15 03:22 PM

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A couple of snitches turn in their fellow officer. The dirty bastards should get one in the face like Serpico. :sarcasm:

St. Pete officer resigns after takedown

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local...down/75505906/

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wearetheborg 11-10-15 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12641075)
Measured response for dealing with jaywalkers!

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Of course we should not care at all about what happened before the camera started rolling. Women cops, white cops, black cops, as in this video group, are all out to get aggressive against random jaywalkers.

CaptainMarvel 11-10-15 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey (Post 12641380)
I mean, she keeps zapping him, aren't most people going to react badly to pain and maybe not act rationally?

Most people will (whether by rationality or instinct) try to make the pain stop. That's exactly how pain compliance is designed, and it functions just like that in the overwhelming majority of cases.


Wouldn't she stop zapping him and keep the gun trained on him and wait see if he is going to draw a weapon? He's laying on his stomach, is it that much of a risk that he pulls a gun and rolls over and shoots her?
A) She did repeatedly stop zapping him, as I said. He proceeded to not comply each time. Prior to her shooting, there's at least a 20 second stretch where she ceased any current whatsoever.

B) Yeah, it's a significant risk, because you can get killed faster than you can react by somebody in that position. Force Science did a series of tests of people on their stomach with their hands underneath them, drawing, and shooting, and they determined that there was virtually no chance of being able to react quickly enough.


In testing 5 different angles of weapon exposure and attack, FSI researchers discovered that the overall average time that elapses between the instant a prone suspectís first movement can be seen and the discharge of his pointed weapon is less than 2/3 of a second.
I can pretty much guarantee you that even if you had a gun pointed at me, if you were waiting to actually see me produce a gun, have time for your brain to process it, and then react, you're going to get shot.


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