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arminius 09-16-15 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMarvel (Post 12589489)
The autopsies were released back in August.

And the Feds are involved. The BATFE is conducting the ballistic review. From the same link:


At least one of the weapons found was an AK-47.

Alot of head shots and downward angle shots. If the AK was not fired who cares? From what I have read about Waco there are alot of judges, cops and attorneys that are related.

CaptainMarvel 09-17-15 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by arminius (Post 12589776)
Alot of head shots and downward angle shots. If the AK was not fired who cares? From what I have read about Waco there are alot of judges, cops and attorneys that are related.

Ok dude :lol: You said you wanted the feds involved, and I pointed out they are. If you want to start positing conspiracy theories on behalf of the poor outlaw motorcycle gangs, feel free.

inri222 09-17-15 10:15 AM

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Delusional woman is relieved of her duties

Police Officer Fired For Racial Bias After Falsely Claiming Black Man Attacked Her With Golf Club

In fact, video reveals William Wingate was merely leaning on the club, which he used as a cane.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0e333e54c2d56

kvrdave 09-21-15 07:21 PM

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I don't know what that dog did to deserve being shot, but they shot it. I wish cops didn't keep getting a bad rap for this. The dog was menacing.

Trevor 09-21-15 08:49 PM

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^ I hope there's more to the story. If not, I hope those cop(s) are fired.

aktick 09-21-15 09:27 PM

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I remember hearing about that...a year ago. ;) Don't remember where it was. The info on YouTube explains it a bit. Seems like the dog owner was an asshole, and probably because he was an asshole sent his dog out there...but definitely a WTF? on the SWAT gear and vehicle. :rolleyes:

kvrdave 09-22-15 09:54 AM

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I'm just glad those cops are okay. After seeing the dog in question, I'm surprised they didn't call for air support.

inri222 09-22-15 10:04 AM

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Dave99 09-22-15 10:26 AM

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I don't know, if I got all my gun stuff together, and went to the range and they told me there was nothing to shoot, I'd probably be annoyed and look for something to use as a target, anything really. Otherwise it's just a waste of half a day.

kvrdave 09-22-15 11:14 AM

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:lol::up:

aktick 09-22-15 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 12594626)
I'm just glad those cops are okay. After seeing the dog in question, I'm surprised they didn't call for air support.

It looked pretty intimidating!

inri222 09-23-15 09:30 AM

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Investigate us, how dare you

Police Investigator: Cops Beat Me Up

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...eat-me-up.html

inri222 09-23-15 09:34 AM

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Luckily no one was killed

New York City Police Officer Pleads Guilty to Attempted Murder in Drunken Shooting

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/ny...ting.html?_r=0

inri222 09-23-15 09:45 AM

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Taking it to another level

A Foul Is Called, The Whistle Blows… And, 2 Months Later, A Popular Girls’ Coach Is Jailed

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/09/21/a...ach-is-jailed/

Minor Threat 09-24-15 09:35 AM

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Deftones 09-24-15 09:46 AM

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that's a tough situation. guy is in a wheelchair, but he keeps putting his hands down by his pants and in his crotch area. very easy to conceal something there. did he have a gun? if so, i'd say that's pretty much closes it as a good shoot.

Dave99 09-24-15 10:00 AM

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Appears from articles he did have a gun, and had already shot himself once before police arrived.

Deftones 09-24-15 10:48 AM

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well, then, good shoot.

kvrdave 09-24-15 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12595888)
Taking it to another level

A Foul Is Called, The Whistle Blows… And, 2 Months Later, A Popular Girls’ Coach Is Jailed

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/09/21/a...ach-is-jailed/

More on this.....

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...as-6525037.php


ORIGINAL POST: When a little league coach turned to shut down a heckler at a girls' basketball game, she knew he was an off-duty police officer, but she never imagined she'd end up facing years of jail time.

Now Jessica Curs, the 31-year-old mother and veteran youth league coach, is crying foul, and the local police department is firing back.

Her first interview about the incident appeared Monday on KTXA TV in Dallas, and the following day Alvarado police chief Brad Anderson posted a scathing 1,100-word Facebook post (since deleted, see full text below) criticizing KTXA, defending his captain and offering a very different narrative.

Here's what they agree on: In mid-February, Curs was coaching a 4th grade girls' basketball game for the Burleson Youth Association against Alvarado. Burleson and Alvarado, two small cities, about 10 miles apart and south of Fort Worth, are classic rivals with a history of uncordial relations, especially in youth sports.

Alvarado police captain Gary Melson was keeping score.

Curs said Melson was sitting directly behind her, on the side of the court reserved for only coaches, the score keeper and the school monitor. Melson, in a T-shirt and jeans, heckled her throughout the game, the coach said.

With two minutes left in the game a foul was called, and Curs said Melson offered a snide comment.

"That's when I turned around. What I wanted to say was 'quit being a dipsh-t,' but all I said was quit being a dip ..." she said. "No one heard it except for him and me."

But in his Facebook post, Chief Anderson wrote "Curs screamed out a profanity, namely using the word 'dick' in front of bleachers full of parents and kids. This action caused numerous parents to rise to their feet and began confronting Curs, complaining and demanding action from APD Capt. Melson." He reiterated that claim in an interview with the Chronicle.

Curs called that "extremely inaccurate." Burleson Youth Association treasurer Paul Friedman said the association did an internal investigation after the incident. But since all the parents were sitting on the far side of the gym, none had any knowledge of what happened, he said.

Friedman said that only the referee, Andy Love, had some recollection of the spat.

"I turn to report my foul and I've got some guy standing on the edge of the gym floor grabbing a coach by the arm, trying to pull her off the court," Love told KTXA.

In spite of Chief Anderson's assertion that Curs "has a history of questionable behavior," Friedman said he's never received a complaint about her in the nine years he's manned the group's email account.

At the basketball game, Melson flashed his badge and ordered Curs to leave the gym and talk with him in the parking lot. So with two minutes left in the last game of an undefeated season, she forfeited the game on behalf of her team and followed Melson outside.

According to Chapter 14 of the Texas code of Criminal Procedure, an off-duty police officer who is outside his jurisdiction may detain or arrest someone if they cause "a breach of the peace."

As tears streamed from Curs' players in the parking lot, Melson called the Burleson police, but after a brief investigation decided not to press charges for disorderly conduct. That seemed like the end of it.

But two weeks later, Curs got a startling letter in the mail: a warrant for her arrest on charges of evading arrest. She turned herself in the next day, got booked, paid her bail, spent six hours in jail and was released. That seemed like the end of it.

In spite of urging from friends and community members to challenge the apparent injustice, Curs wanted to leave it behind her.

But on Friday, Curs' attorney Jonathan Michell told her that the district attorney would take up her case--that she would go to trial and could face up to three years behind bars.

So Curs called KTXA TV, which she said had been asking for an interview since the incident occurred, and consented to go on the record.

"Everyone has told me 'you need to do something about this, you can't let this guy get away with this," she said. "Finally I agreed. I'm not going to sit and let them do this to me."

And here is a copy of the facebook post by the police, since deleted....

Press Release Regarding Jessica Curs Arrest:


First, I would like to address CBS 11's reporting on this, and other incidents.

I was first introduced to unethical reporting many months ago when CBS 11 lied about wanting an interview and then took that information and twisted it for another purpose. During this time, prior to CBS 11 airing another unrelated story, I met with CBS 11′s Senior Investigative Producer in my office and discussed Jessica Curs. At this time I provided CBS with a copy of the affidavit used to obtain the warrant for Curs as well as her book-in photo. The situation was completely explained to him then and he and I corresponded many times through email, in which he described Curs actions as a "tirade". It was only after CBS aired an unrelated/twisted story, and then pulled said story for obvious inaccuracies, that an in-person interview request was later denied regarding Curs. CBS was instructed to address any questions they would like answered to our department and they would be answered. This never happened.

The incident regarding Curs should and could have been resolved that day. Curs pressed the issue and her actions dictated the response from a police officer. Curs screamed out a profanity, namely using the word "dick", in front of bleachers full of parents and kids. This action caused numerous parents to rise to their feet and began confronting Curs, complaining, and demanding action from APD Capt. Melson. Capt. Melson approached Curs and instructed her to step outside the area of play to deescalate the situation. This is where the matter could have been resolved with Curs being told to refrain from using profane language in public. Capt. Melson asked Curs three times, showed her his badge/department identification card, told her he was a police officer, and that she needed to step aside and speak with him.

Curs committed the offense of disorderly conduct:

TEXAS PENAL CODE TITLE 9. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND DECENCY
CHAPTER 42. DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND RELATED OFFENSES

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:
(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;

And in regards to Capt. Melson being outside the city of Alvarado:

CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE TITLE 1. CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 14. ARREST WITHOUT WARRANT

Art. 14.03. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICERS.

(d) A peace officer who is outside his jurisdiction may arrest, without warrant, a person who commits an offense within the officer's presence or view, if the offense is a felony, a violation of Chapter 42 or 49, Penal Code, or a breach of the peace.

Ideally an off-duty officer does not want to get involved in situations like this one. But when being an officer is known by the majority of the people present, and the officer is asked to act, it is hard not to.

Curs refused this lawful order from Capt. Melson and pulled away. Curs was assisted by her husband and others in putting distance between herself and Capt. Melson for the obvious reason she knew she was in the wrong. Capt. Melson's response was also fueled by many complaints by parents that wanted something done in regards to Curs' comment. These complainants were documented and supplied to the Johnson County Attorney's office, not the "Burleson prosecutors" as the CBS story notes. After the incident was looked at from all angles, the decision was made to issue a warrant for Curs for evading arrest.

Curs committed the offense of evading arrest or detention:

TEXAS PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION
CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION

Sec. 38.04: Texas Statutes: EVADING ARREST OR DETENTION

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally flees from a person he knows is a peace officer or federal special investigator attempting lawfully to arrest or detain him.

CBS also falsely reported "Both the Alvarado school district and a private youth association that was using the gym told the I-Team they did not ask police to issue the warning" in regards to the issuing of a criminal trespass warning against Curs. The warning was issued by Kevin Bjork, a representative of AYSA, the governing youth sports body of Alvarado (Alvarado Youth Sports Association), as requested by the AYSA basketball director. The criminal trespass warning was then voided by the AYSA by allowing Curs to stay and watch her daughter play in a game. A copy of this warning with all above noted person's signatures was provided to the Johnson County Attorney's Office.

APD Investigators tried to obtain the video from BISD officials within the retention time period. BISD turned over a video for this case but had copied the wrong time period. This was discovered after hours on a Friday and the district then went on spring break. This time frame made it impossible to obtain the correct video in light of the district only retaining their video for 14 days.

Youth sports are very important and an involved activity and happens everywhere year round. Unfortunately some adults see this as a stage they can act out on and the rules and laws do not apply to them. To these parents this incident should be a sobering reminder that they are wrong. The example and message that you should and can yell profanities in public places and think this behavior is acceptable is sickening. Furthermore, the current message is the empty can rattles the most, and hope you don't have to be held accountable for your actions.

Another element left out of this story was that Curs has a history of questionable behavior that has led to her to being removed from games/events, etc. This incident seems to be on par with Curs' past and the environment she thrives in. Chants of "fuck you Alvarado" could be heard from the facility as the teams left.

As with most cases, the person at fault here is Curs and Curs directed her own path which resulted in her subsequent arrest and pending court case. Curs found a voice with CBS and together they constructed a story based on unethical reporting. This story, in addition to others, cements our decision to carefully guard any information supplied to CBS. The Alvarado Police Department has always interacted and cooperated well with all news outlets and will continue to do so.
Despite all this, from the original article....

UPDATE: Criminal charges against Jessica Curs have been dropped, her lawyer said in a statement Wednesday evening.

"We believe Captain Melson's actions were an abuse of his authority as a law enforcement officer," said attorney Jonathan Michell. "At this time we are considering all of our client's options to protect her rights and make sure that something like this never happens again."


Evading arrest. At least they explains why their reasoning and arrest was the right thing to do....and then take it down. So why would they take it down?

nemein 09-24-15 11:35 AM

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With how many people record kids' games I'm surprise a video of this doesn't exist somewhere...

EddieMoney 09-24-15 02:31 PM

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What surprises me the most about all this is that she's 31. Talking about hitting the fucking wall at 150 mph.

inri222 09-24-15 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EddieMoney (Post 12597227)
What surprises me the most about all this is that she's 31. Talking about hitting the fucking wall at 150 mph.

Sometimes too much sunlight can age you quicker than a weekly habit of smoking a carton of filterless Camels and downing a fifth of whiskey.

EddieMoney 09-24-15 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12597244)
Sometimes too much sunlight can age you quicker than a weekly habit of smoking a carton of filterless Camels and downing a fifth of whiskey.

Shit, thank the fuck Christ mine are filtered.

kvrdave 09-24-15 06:46 PM

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:lol: This slays me.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/guy...5000-from-cops


Guy Who Wrote 'Fuck the Fucking Cops' on Facebook Wins $35,000 From Cops

Thomas Smith, a man arrested for writing "Fuck the fucking cops" on a police department's Facebook page three years ago has just won a $35,000 lawsuit against the fucking cops, his lawyer announced Wednesday.

In July 2012, the Village of Arena in Wisconsin posted a note on its Facebook page announcing a slew of arrests. Smith then posted "Fuck ths fucking cops they ant shit but fucking racist basturds an fucking all of y'all who is racist," as well as "Fuck them nigers bitchs wat you got on us not a dam thing so fuck off dicks." He was arrested for disorderly conduct and unlawful use of a computer and telephone. He was originally convicted by a local jury, but that decision was overturned by the Wisconsin Court of Appeals, which ruled Smith's First Amendment rights were violated.

Smith and his attorney, Tom Aquino, sued the village for an unspecified amount. Wednesday, the village settled with him, according to Aquino.

"We have always believed that the defendant’s liability was clear. Federal and state courts have routinely held that the right to free speech is not limited to polite speech alone," Aquino wrote in a blog post. "In our country, we are entitled to criticize our government with passion. The use of some four-letter words in the course of doing so is never a crime."

From afar, the case was something of a slam dunk, but arrests that violate the First Amendment are common, and appeals don't always happen, according to Lee Rowland, a senior staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union who specializes in First Amendment cases.

"Just because a case is black-and-white from Constitutional point of view doesn't mean the government isn't capable of violating that right," she told me. "We like to think Constitutional truths prevent Unconstitutional violations, and in a case like this, it's very difficult to believe anyone involved didn't know this prosecution was blatantly unconstitutional, but it still happened."

"A settlement in this man's case is a no brainer, and he deserves every penny he got," she added. "Not only does he have a full right to have vulgar and profane speech, but in fact police officers have a higher duty to accept profanity because their line of work often brings them into contact with people who are emotional or worked up. The fact that he wrote this on a Facebook page in no way diminishes that fact."

For evidence of her first point, read the transcript of his original trial, which could and perhaps should be used as a dystopian screenplay.
Additional links in the article. It's just painful to read what he wrote. Dude isn't a master of the English language obviously. But what the fuck goes through the minds of the police department that they think they should go arrest some douche because he said bad words on the police facebook page? Worse yet, how the fuck does this go to trial and have a jury convict? This should have been thrown out long before it got to trial.

Obviously, I just hope the police are okay.

Dave99 09-24-15 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 12597502)
But what the fuck goes through the minds of the police department that they think they should go arrest some douche because he said bad words on the police facebook page?

Because it's contempt of cop, and they know with 99.999% confidence that absolutely nothing negative will happen to them when they make this arrest. So even though they probably know it's clearly a violation of his rights, they simply don't care, no repercussions to them, and it's not like this settlement money comes out of their pockets or the department budget.

As I noted a few pages ago, they still get the last laugh, even when they know they're going to lose. This guy had to deal with being arrested, jail, trial, appeal etc, and the cops got to probably enjoy the experience over beers with their fellow officers, and some OT pay for testifying at the trial.


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