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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by Psi
(Post 13301066)
It was so cold at work yesterday that everyone had to put on a jacket in the office. Then we found out that some jerk already turned on the AC and left it at 68F.
Different people have different temperature preferences. I always wear a short sleeve shirt and shorts when I'm outside and it's 68, and to me, the idea of wearing a jacket at that temperature is something that I would never consider. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by SFX
(Post 13301846)
In fact, right now the word "theory" no longer appears at all on the Global warming Wikipedia page.
I won't disagree there is global change in temps, but I will argue how we address the issue and just how much of it is due to human production. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by grundle
(Post 13301867)
3) There is nothing we can do to stop the climate from changing.
It's not a new idea. Stopping global cooling was something that was discussed before.
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
(Post 13301878)
Climate Change isn't a theory.
"Climate Change" is not a theory. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by SFX
(Post 13301751)
Are you mentally deficient?
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by VinVega
(Post 13304420)
mod note - No Personal Attacks.
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by VinVega
(Post 13304420)
mod note - No Personal Attacks.
Along the lines of, "Are you crazy? Why would you say that?". |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
According to the World Health Organization, the U.S. has some of the cleanest air of any country in the world:
http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/inter...ure/atlas.html |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
https://phys.org/news/2018-04-biolog...reenhouse.html
Biologically inspired membrane purges coal-fired smoke of greenhouse gases April 11, 2018 A biologically inspired membrane intended to cleanse carbon dioxide almost completely from the smoke of coal-fired power plants has been developed by scientists at Sandia National Laboratories and the University of New Mexico. The patented work, reported recently in Nature Communications, has interested power and energy companies that would like to significantly and inexpensively reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, one of the most widespread greenhouse gases, and explore other possible uses of the invention. The memzyme meets the Department of Energy's standards by capturing 90 percent of power plant carbon dioxide production at a relatively low cost of $40 per ton. Spoiler:
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
My God! At that price it will only cost 48,000 dollars a second to stop CO2!
That's only a little over 4 trillion dollars a year! All we need is 571 US dollars from every last person on the planet (each year) and we are home free. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Or we could irrigate and plant some of the desert areas of the world to capture the carbon, which would cost a lot less than that.
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by SFX
(Post 13309225)
My God! At that price it will only cost 48,000 dollars a second to stop CO2!
That's only a little over 4 trillion dollars a year! All we need is 571 US dollars from every last person on the planet (each year) and we are home free. CO2 emissions in the U.S. are less than 20 tons per person per year. So that would be less than $800 per person per year, if that was the only method used. But this method only works where the emissions are heavily concentrated, such as near coal power plants. Poor countries have much lower emissions, so their cost per person would be much lower. I support a tax on each ton of CO2 emissions, and using that money to lower other taxes by an equal amount. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by kvrdave
(Post 10841514)
The similarities between this and doomsday cults is fascinating.
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
If we can somehow bury all plastic waste in landfills, or teach whales not to eat it...
https://i.imgur.com/0ObI7KE.jpg https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn...astic-problem/ APR 9, 2018 @ 12:11 PM Yet Another Dead Whale Is Grave Reminder Of Our Massive Plastic Problem A sperm whale was found washed ashore dead after swallowing 64 pounds of plastic debris. The male sperm whale was found on the Murcian coast in southern Spain in late February, reminding us how critical plastic waste in the oceans has become. After investigating, the El Valle Wildlife Rescue Center determined that the sperm whale was killed by gastric shock to its stomach and intestines after ingesting 64 pounds of plastic. The autopsy found plastic bags, nets, ropes, plastic sacks, and even a plastic jerrycan in the whale's stomach and intestines. Experts found the inner walls of the whale's abdomen to be inflamed due to a bacterial or fungal infection. This is likely a result of the whale unable to expel the plastics from its system, resulting in peritonitis. ... It is becoming increasingly clear that plastic in our oceans is a core threat to marine life in the decades to come. Approximately 5 trillion pieces of plastic are estimated to be floating around the world's oceans based on a recent study. To make matters worse, marine experts believe the total weight of plastic in our oceans could outweigh fish in the world's oceans by 2050. ... With an increasing amount of plastic discarded in oceans, whale deaths due to ingestion of plastics are becoming far too common. Just two years ago a pod of 13 sperm whales all washed ashore dead from ingestion of plastic waste. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by Psi
(Post 13311620)
If we can somehow bury all plastic waste in landfills, or teach whales not to eat it...
https://i.imgur.com/0ObI7KE.jpg https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn...astic-problem/ And to not use a fake non sperm whale image |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
People throwing plastic shit in the river and oceans should be shot
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by Psi
(Post 13311620)
If we can somehow bury all plastic waste in landfills, or teach whales not to eat it...
https://i.imgur.com/0ObI7KE.jpg https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn...astic-problem/ If the plastic was in a landfill, it would not be in the whale. The caption under the picture says (the bolding is mine): "A Greenpeace Philippines representation of a dead whale from ingestion of plastic." According to the article, the actual, real whale had consumed 64 pounds of plastic, and that plastic was much too deep in its digestive system to be visible in a picture such as that. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
It doesn't help that a big amount of plastic is inside the whale instead of outside.
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by Psi
(Post 13312266)
It doesn't help that a big amount of plastic is inside the whale instead of outside.
This is the real picture of the real whale from the article at your link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaMZcxZV4AYeFym.jpg When it comes to science, I prefer real pictures whenever they are available. Fake pictures are for dinosaurs with their skin, or false color images of astronomy that were actually taken in infrared or ultraviolet. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Shoving this back on topic
Unfortunately due to excessive whaling efforts it is estimated that whalers killed as many as 1,000,000 sperm whales over the last few centuries which is now causing an imbalance in the oceans ecosystem and affecting our ozone layer. Studies have shown that the nutrients in sperm whale poop helps stimulate the growth of phytoplankton which pulls carbon from the air providing a cleaner and healthier breathing environment for all animals. It is estimated that as much as 400,000 tonnes of carbon are extracted from the air due to these whales each year! |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Because carbon dioxide is so dangerous.
(normal range in lungs is between 30,000 ppm and 35,000 ppm |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Manmade global warming is real, but the OSHA safety limit for CO2 exposure is 5,000 ppm. The current level is about 400 ppm, so that, in and of itself, is not the problem. CO2 levels were much higher than today's levels when the dinosaurs were alive, and global temperatures were so high that there were no polar ice caps. And life thrived. Because carbon dioxide is the bottom of the food chain, which is something that they used to teach back in the old days when I was in school.
C02 levels have been falling for tens of millions of years. If it wasn't for us humans putting that C02 back into the atmosphere, the CO2 levels would get so low that plants could not live. And no plants means no animals (except possibly for the ones that live off of thermal vents very deep in the ocean, although even those may be dependent on CO2 at some point in their food chain - I'm not sure about this part of it). Anyway, if we go by the theory that the earth is one giant ecosystem, then maybe the earth created humans specifically for the purpose of putting that CO2 back into the atmosphere. Once we have done that, the earth will have no more use for us, and we will go extinct. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Eight of the 10 most polluted U.S. cities are in California. At first, I thought this was because of pollution from Asia. However, the article says that Honolulu is one of the 10 least polluted U.S. cities. And Honolulu is much closer to Asia than California is. So the problem really is California. Shame on them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ies/524815002/ California has eight of 10 most polluted U.S. cities Forget the Golden State. California should be called the Smoggy State. Spoiler:
“Near record-setting heat from our changing climate has resulted in dangerous levels of ozone in many cities across the country, making ozone an urgent health threat for millions of Americans,” Lung Association President and CEO Harold P. Wimmer said. Smog forms on warm, sunny days and is made worse from chemicals that exit vehicle tailpipes and from power plant and industrial smokestacks. Warmer temperatures make ozone more likely to form. "This adds to the evidence that a changing climate makes it harder to reduce ozone pollution and protect human health," Alexander said. Spoiler:
The nation's cleanest cities are Bellingham, Wash.; Burlington, Vt.; Casper, Wyo.; Honolulu; Melbourne, Fla.; and Wilmington, N.C. Spoiler:
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Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Bakersfield, CA has the distinction of being in the top of all three categories for air pollution
http://www.lung.org/our-initiatives/...ed-cities.html It's also pretty much one of the worst places to live in the country. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by grundle
(Post 13313492)
Manmade global warming is real, but the OSHA safety limit for CO2 exposure is 5,000 ppm. The current level is about 400 ppm, so that, in and of itself, is not the problem. CO2 levels were much higher than today's levels when the dinosaurs were alive, and global temperatures were so high that there were no polar ice caps. And life thrived. Because carbon dioxide is the bottom of the food chain, which is something that they used to teach back in the old days when I was in school.
C02 levels have been falling for tens of millions of years. If it wasn't for us humans putting that C02 back into the atmosphere, the CO2 levels would get so low that plants could not live. And no plants means no animals (except possibly for the ones that live off of thermal vents very deep in the ocean, although even those may be dependent on CO2 at some point in their food chain - I'm not sure about this part of it). Anyway, if we go by the theory that the earth is one giant ecosystem, then maybe the earth created humans specifically for the purpose of putting that CO2 back into the atmosphere. Once we have done that, the earth will have no more use for us, and we will go extinct. |
Re: The One and Only Global Warming Thread, Part 11 (CO2 Kills 10 Billion People Edit
Originally Posted by Nick Danger
(Post 13313890)
I recommend that you don't quote OSHA regulations without reading them. The limit of 5000 ppm on that page is right next to the risk of asphyxiation. There is a big difference between long-term environmental effects and quick death.
Yes, I know. I was responding to comments about the quick death aspect. |
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