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Old 05-04-11, 12:15 PM
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

Obama says NO PICS!
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

Originally Posted by The Edit King View Post
Obama says NO PICS!
Did anyone mention to him that his thread will be worthless without them?
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"Going forward, anytime the American people want to know something that I or a former president wants to withhold, we will have to consult with the Attorney General and the white house counsel, whose business it is to ensure compliance with the rule of law. Information will not be withheld just because I say so; it will be withheld because a separate authority believes my request is well-grounded in the Constitution. Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency." 1/21/09

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/new...r_staff_an.php
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

Maybe the half of the sentence that follows the part you bolded has something to do with it.
Old 05-04-11, 04:52 PM
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

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Maybe the half of the sentence that follows the part you bolded has something to do with it.
What reason to not release the pictures would be well grounded in the Constitution?
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Does the Constitution require that all pictures that a President has access to must be released?
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

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Does the Constitution require that all pictures that a President has access to must be released?
I know he's a politician, but sometimes you like to think that they actually don't lie every single time they move their lips.

Otherwise it is all just boring.
Old 05-04-11, 05:05 PM
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So you're saying the Constitution does not permit him to withhold this photo, and that if someone requests it, he must?

Because I think Obama was saying he won't decide for himself what is constitutional or not, he will leave that decision up to the proper authorities.

If it is requested, and Obama doesn't want to release it, a separate authority will determine whether that is Constitutional or not and he will obey that order.

That's what I get out of that quote, any way.

I don't know of any law that says the President must release photos of people killed by the armed forces.
Old 05-04-11, 05:16 PM
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But according to TEK.

Originally Posted by The Edit King View Post
Obama says NO PICS!
It sounds as if it's on his say so.

Paul has never steered me to wrong information.
Old 05-04-11, 05:21 PM
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He also says no to drugs. (A flip-flop for him).

Must he release all seized drugs that people ask for, or can he say "no?"

If anyone were to challenge his authority on that, then he would would agree to be subject to the AG's ruling.
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Re: Aftermath of bin laden liquidation

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but the body of the Constitution CONTAINS NO PICTURES. That's right it's all text.

Therefore, a strict reading of the Constitution reveals that pictures are not allowed and therefore unconstitutional.

Thank you. Any other questions?
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He also says no to drugs. (A flip-flop for him).

Must he release all seized drugs that people ask for, or can he say "no?"

If anyone were to challenge his authority on that, then he would would agree to be subject to the AG's ruling.
Can I ask for other people's seized drugs? If so, party at my place!
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Can I ask for other people's seized drugs? If so, party at my place!

You can have his. I don't think he'll need it anymore.
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I'm glad they've decided not to release the pics. The last thing we need is a picture of a bloody and martyred Osama to be a symbol of this event. I say we killed him - it's done, let's move on.
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I don't believe it makes any real difference whether the pictures are released or not.

Their release would not change the minds of the folks who believe there is a conspiracy. OBL is already a martyr to those that believe he is a martyr.

The thing that it does show is that there are folks in Obama's circles who have differering opionions on their release - mainly Leon Panetta.
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Originally Posted by crazyronin View Post
I know he's a politician, but sometimes you like to think that they actually don't lie every single time they move their lips.

Otherwise it is all just boring.
I am no fan of Obama, but I think you have to give him credit for going after Osama then. McCain said he wouldn't go into Pakistan w/o permission and Obama said he would. Obama did what he said he would. Releasing the pictures or not isn't really an important issue IMO. And I don't feel like it has anything to do with the spirit of transparency (you can knock Obama on that with other choices, but not really here so much).
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I am no fan of Obama, but I think you have to give him credit for going after Osama then. McCain said he wouldn't go into Pakistan w/o permission and Obama said he would. Obama did what he said he would. Releasing the pictures or not isn't really an important issue IMO. And I don't feel like it has anything to do with the spirit of transparency (you can knock Obama on that with other choices, but not really here so much).
I pretty much agree with this. You have to give credit where it is due, Obama made the right call here and it worked. The picture will end up leaking at some point in time, but I do not need to see it to know he is dead.
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I pretty much agree with this. You have to give credit where it is due, Obama made the right call here and it worked. The picture will end up leaking at some point in time, but I do not need to see it to know he is dead.


And valuable intel may have been retrieved from bin Laden's compound as well.

The President made the right call.
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And valuable intel may have been retrieved from bin Laden's compound as well.

The President made the right call.
By valuable intel do you mean telephone numbers of OBL's women friends?
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By valuable intel do you mean telephone numbers of OBL's women friends?
It's doubtful that bin Laden was in much of an AQ loop with a courier only visiting him a few times a year but at this point who knows what intel may have been gleaned. Information about the courier was probably not thought to be relevant until we started connecting the dots.
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I am no fan of Obama, but I think you have to give him credit for going after Osama then.
I give him full credit for ordering in DEVGRU. It's a whole lot better than the other plan (12 2,000 lb. bombs dropped on the compound.) What I'm getting pissed about is the amateur hour that is happening afterward. The changing stories, Brennan making jokes, Biden tossing his foot in his mouth (again.)

The whole press conference should have gone like this:

Obama: We got bin Laden.



as the president walks out the door.

No mention of "respectfully" treating the body, no stupidity of "following Muslim traditions", no mention of whether he is alive or dead. Leave al Zawahiri guessing, "Do they have that goddamn doofus? Is he talking. Is that the hummus delivery boy or is it the cursed Americans?"

All this presupposes that bin Laden is actually dead. The way the stories are changing, the unwillingness to release photos and that the only one's who are dead were with bin Laden at the time of his shooting (and unarmed) lead me to (almost) believe that they faked his death and he's sitting in a black site in Poland, slowly having everything he might know being ground out of him.

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I am no fan of Obama, but I think you have to give him credit for going after Osama then. McCain said he wouldn't go into Pakistan w/o permission and Obama said he would. Obama did what he said he would.
Yep, same here. I sneered when Obama said he would go into Pakistan on his own to pursue AQ. Hey, he had the guts to give the green light on a risky mission, he did what he said he was going to do, and he did it well.

He's moved up a notch in my book. He's now on notch "1".

(ok, stole that one from Snoop Dog in "Starsky and Hutch" )
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Do you think you would hear about a 'risky mission' if it failed?
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Do you think you would hear about a 'risky mission' if it failed?
Nope. No one would hear of it ever.

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