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Health Care discussion continues - part 9

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Eight people in a single family. Let that sink in.


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CEO of GoFundMe: "I would love nothing more than for 'medical' to not be a category on GoFundMe."


Full interview:
https://khn.org/news/gofundme-ceo-gi...-crowdfunding/

He's so damn right here. Every day I see GoFundMe listings posted on forums, social media, and elsewhere, for medical treatments; many times for things people genuinely need to survive.
This is so unbelievably broken.

Q: But what does this say about the system?

The system is terrible. It needs to be rethought and retooled. Politicians are failing us. Health care companies are failing us. Those are realities. I don’t want to mince words here. We are facing a huge potential tragedy. We provide relief for a lot of people. But there are people who are not getting relief from us or from the institutions that are supposed to be there. We shouldn’t be the solution to a complex set of systemic problems. They should be solved by the government working properly, and by health care companies working with their constituents. We firmly believe that access to comprehensive health care is a right and things have to be fixed at the local, state and federal levels of government to make this a reality.
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I thought we had a vaccine thread. But IMO it absolutely applies to overall health care discussion.

Partents refuse to vaccinate their child. Child gets tetnus, suffers horribly and racks up $800,000 in medical costs. Unlike many other illnesses we vaccinate for, you can get tetnus again after getting. Parents still refuse to vaccinate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/w...core-ios-share

Im all for freedom and liberty. But lord, this is outright child abuse. As the article mentions, tetnus is horribly painful (and obviously life threatening).

Just like we charge more for health insurance for smokers, we should charge more for those not vaccinated unless there is a specific medical reason they can’t be.

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But hey, socialism.

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Quick watch on why insulin prices (in part) are so high. But applies to all heathcare in the US. There are many examples.

Oh, don’t want to watch the video and wondering why? Because drug companies can charge whatever they want.

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https://youtu.be/7Ycd8zEdoVk

Quick watch on why insulin prices (in part) are so high. But applies to all heathcare in the US. There are many examples.

Oh, don’t want to watch the video and wondering why? Because drug companies can charge whatever they want.

Why cannot we import it from Canada/Mexico/Europe?
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Why cannot we import it from Canada/Mexico/Europe?
Well, I think you technically CAN. I buy drugs from overseas ... the site I use doesn't carry insulin because it requires refrigeration during shipment, and they don't do that. It's kind of a grey market thing ... as long as you are OK with the small chance your drugs are confiscated at customs.
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Why cannot we import it from Canada/Mexico/Europe?
The US has made that illigal to protect drug companies.

However, many people do travel to say Mexico just to buy drugs. If caught, “typically” the worse that can happen is a fine and losing the drugs. I haven’t heard of anyone being arrested over it.

My my parents don’t need to, but if they go to Mexico on vacation she will always bring back a box of those Z-packs.

But think about that. Drug companies happily sell at those markets for lower prices. Mexico, Canada, the UK maybe able to dictate pricing, but they absolutely cannot force a US drug company to sell their product there. If the drug companies wanted to or were losing money, they could just pull out. While I’ll sure there are some isolated cases where they have, there is no shortages in these countries.
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However, many people do travel to say Mexico just to buy drugs. If caught, “typically” the worse that can happen is a fine and losing the drugs. I haven’t heard of anyone being arrested over it.
This is what I found out about it:

Buying Prescription Drugs From Canada: Legal or Illegal?

Under the Prescription Drug Marketing Act of 1987, it is illegal for anyone other than the original manufacturer to bring prescription drugs into the country. However, federal officials have decided to exercise "enforcement discretion" in dealing with prescription drugs brought across the border, provided the drugs are not narcotics or other controlled substances. This means that as long as a person brings back no more than a three-month supply for personal use, border officials generally look the other way, Thomas McGinnis, director of pharmacy affairs for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in March 2001. Patients generally may order refills in amounts up to a three-month supply without interference.

What about ordering over the Internet? Prescription drugs cannot be legally mailed into the United States by foreign "e-pharmacies." But here again officials are employing "enforcement discretion," preferring to use limited resources to crack down on large commercial drug supplies and narcotics, not prescription-drug shipments for personal consumption. Thus, customs officials allow the companies to mail up to 90-day supplies of medications.
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Well that makes sense based on what I’ve heard and experienced. Didn’t know it was their “policy”. Course I think they know that arresting a bunch of people who just want to stay alive (many of which are older) would look bad. And even worse for the drug companies.

But again, on the books, it is not legal. And we shouldn’t be in the position anyway.
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I think these days, a lot of prescription drugs in Canada are not that much cheaper than US drugs (depends on the prescription of course) and places like Australia, Switzerland and the UK have cheaper prices than both. I'm glad I have a good drug plan (only pay for dispensing fees) because when I see the price printed on the receipt that shows how much I would be paying with no insurance, it's insane for some of them!

I do know that a lot of Americans cross the border to buy painkillers at our local pharmacy, because the ones that contain codeine can be bought over the counter here, you don't need a prescription. I think US Customs is ok with them bringing a bottle or two when they return to the US. Obviously you would run into problems if you are bringing cases of the stuff back home.
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Maybe we shouldn't have voted for a guy who said he'd get rid of the ACA if he became president...
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Maybe we shouldn't have voted for a guy who said he'd get rid of the ACA if he became president...
Point made. Though I was thinking that there was another branch of government who provides a check and balance to whims of POTUS. And in fact, I seem to recall a vote by that body on the same topic.
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/02/pol...www.cnn.com%2F

Im not sure there is a more out of touch of reality on a topic.

1. The ACA is not a failure. Perfect? No of course not. But successfully added millions to health insurance.
2. Trump says they will keep pre-existing conditions yet is trying totally abandon the ACA which is what protects those with pre-exerting conditions.
3. The GOP plans to vote in a new plan after the 2020 election. Right. They have no plan and no real hope having a plan.
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So I noticed this for a while now, but recently more than ever, that one of the main sources of disinformation on social media are chiropractors. To them, everything from food to medicine is bad and they are the only ones that can resolve your illnesses and physical problems by realigning your spine and giving you all this pseudoscience bullshit. My question is, how are these jackasses able to get away with this? Shouldn't the FDA and state medical organizations put a stop to this bullshit? They are one of the main groups of anti-vaxxers in the nation and promoting online this incredibly dangerous rhetoric that all vaccines are bad. These people don't have any sort of medical degrees yet they are able to spew the same bullshit that soccer moms with too much time on google spout, but the difference is that more stupid people believe these chiropractors due to their "license and accreditation".
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This is great, and the more states that quickly follow, the better:

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Look at this dumbass piece of shit. This is what happens in Texas when football and religion take precedence over science and education

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In no surprise to anyone with common sense, generic drug companies have been colluding to raise prices. Executives need to face severe jail time, and massive crippling fines should be levied. Of course, none of that will happen, and they will continue to act like this since we aren't willing to punish "successful capitalists" in this country.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...ge/?comments=1
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In no surprise to anyone with common sense, generic drug companies have been colluding to raise prices. Executives need to face severe jail time, and massive crippling fines should be levied. Of course, none of that will happen, and they will continue to act like this since we aren't willing to punish "successful capitalists" in this country.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019...ge/?comments=1
Again, I’m a Capitalist. Capitalism works well when you have a willing buyer and willing seller. But that’s not what we have in health care. People aren’t wanting or willing to buy healthcare, they are forced to. Which means the seller can take advantage of them.

Ive 180 degrees changed my tune on this. And the reason is simple. Healthcare professions and insurance companies could offer a competitive product. And I personally believe they can do it cheaper than the government. But they have proven to have no incentive to do so. Why should they?

Under a single payer/Medicare for all plan the government would set prices that are reasonable. Sure Dr’s could choose not to participate and take cash only. That’s fine,
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Quick watch on Frances healthcare system. Again, remember there is no perfect system, France seems to have gotten right.

Yes, federal taxes go up. But you are no longer payer health insurance premiums. And with the government helping set pricing, efficiency gained, its hard to believe one would pay more.

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