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Old 12-21-10, 10:07 PM
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Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

Remember when that used to be grounds for trying Bush as a war criminal?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/ter...ion/index.html

Is it still evil, or is it okay now that a Democrat is in charge?
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Old 12-21-10, 10:18 PM
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Re: Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

Hypothetical hypocrites are hypocritical!
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It's still evil. Thanks for playing.
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Wrong. It is okay now that a Democrat is in charge.
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Old 12-21-10, 11:00 PM
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Is it still OK, or is it evil now that a Democrat is in charge?
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Old 12-21-10, 11:21 PM
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They do it with love now.

And a dose of change and hope.
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Silly Republicans - you just need to recalibrate your hope/change meter!
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Old 12-22-10, 12:00 AM
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Pretty sure America is catching on that the meter hasn't deviated too far from its W Bush levels.
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Pretty sure America is catching on that the meter hasn't deviated too far from its W Bush levels.
It's changed in some pretty significant ways; it's just that none of them really relate to the "War on Terror."
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Old 12-22-10, 01:12 AM
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Now it's the "War on America."
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Old 12-22-10, 03:25 AM
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It's changed in some pretty significant ways; it's just that none of them really relate to the "War on Terror."
In all of the most important ways (namely upholding the rule of law, both domestic and international), the Obama administration is goosestepping to the same tune that's been playing since 9-11.

When I was in high school and getting my first significant exposure to politics and history, I used to wonder what madness seized the nation when legislature passed the various sedition acts and compromised the nation's most fundamental values. Thanks to the past two administrations, I've got a pretty good idea: there's literally nothing that government won't do for the sake of political capital, especially when it's given the opportunity to exploit hysteria.

Elect a blue-blooded, "compassionate conservative" Texan and you get a demagogue. Elect a black, Harvard-educated professor of constitutional law and you get a demagogue. If Ron Paul were elected, I'd expect him to last about a week before turning into a demagogue (or bringing Washington to an absolute standstill of gridlock--a boy can dream).
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Old 12-22-10, 08:41 AM
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This is just a kinder, gentler indefinite detention. No real differences.
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Wasn't the point of the article that now they will be offered recourse to challenge their detainment? The title of the thread is a bit misleading.
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I hated W, but I never called for his prosecution in this matter, nor would I consider it. If a suspected terrorist is not an American citizen, he/she has no real rights here, nor should they have any. Hold 'em forever, if necessary. It's no one I know personally, why would I give a fuck?
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Old 12-22-10, 09:33 AM
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Obama may still be holding people indefinitely without trial, but they now have the legal obligation to purchase health insurance, which will bring premiums down for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet View Post
Obama may still be holding people indefinitely without trial, but they now have the legal obligation to purchase health insurance, which will bring premiums down for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
I hated W, but I never called for his prosecution in this matter, nor would I consider it. If a suspected terrorist is not an American citizen, he/she has no real rights here, nor should they have any. Hold 'em forever, if necessary. It's no one I know personally, why would I give a fuck?
Does the same standard ("no real rights here") apply to a British tourist arrested for shoplifting?
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Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
If a suspected terrorist is not an American citizen, he/she has no real rights here, nor should they have any. Hold 'em forever, if necessary.
That's... uh, that's not true.
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Re: Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

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Does the same standard ("no real rights here") apply to a British tourist arrested for shoplifting?
No. A shoplifter is not a "suspected terrorist", which was the term I used in my post. Please re-read it.

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That's... uh, that's not true.
Maybe not, but that's how I feel about it. Fuck those people. If you're not a citizen, get the fuck out of my country, please (unless you have a visa or passport, along with a well-defined date that you will be exiting my fine country).
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Re: Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

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Does the same standard ("no real rights here") apply to a British tourist arrested for shoplifting?
Depends. Is said tourist white?
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That's... uh, that's not true.
To say the least. There are certain rights unique to American citizens (voting being the most obvious), but the rest are extended to legal aliens.

The price we pay for this is the endless parade of protests by noisy, rude Canadian immigrants.
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Old 12-22-10, 10:16 AM
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Re: Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

Aren't the vast majority of terror suspects being held indefinitely without trial ones who actually haven't set foot in this country?

And I for one am glad my father, despite lacking a well-defined departure date upon his arrival in 1956, never got the fuck out of Lemmy's country.
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Re: Holding Terror suspects indefinitely without trial

Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
I hated W, but I never called for his prosecution in this matter, nor would I consider it. If a suspected terrorist is not an American citizen, he/she has no real rights here, nor should they have any. Hold 'em forever, if necessary. It's no one I know personally, why would I give a fuck?
So unless it effects your friends or family, who cares what the legal standards of anything are, right?
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Obama may still be holding people indefinitely without trial, but they now have the legal obligation to purchase health insurance, which will bring premiums down for everyone.
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