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View Poll Results: Is WikiLeaks holding back certain info for an early November release?
Yes, potentially damaging info is being temporarily withheld. 8 47.06%
No, the releases are haphazard. 9 52.94%
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Old 11-30-10, 03:24 PM   #26
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I think the problem lies not with Assange and Wikileaks, but with a system that (a) categorized far too much info as "top secret"; and (b) allowed too many people to have access to it and did not do nearly enough to safeguard that info.
A. AFAIK, none of the foreign office cables in the most recent leak were classified "Top Secret". Several thousand were classified "secret" and/or not for foreign exposure,

B. Is the result of people making the same criticism you did in (a). The system that was used to obtain all these cables was part of the post-9/11 overhaul to improve intelligence sharing.

Personally I think that it is proper to expose secrets IF there is evidence of wrongdoing, but that is not the case in the vast majority of the documents Wikileaks has released.


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Old 11-30-10, 03:29 PM   #27
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What happened to the child porn allegations against this guy, which he claimed were an obvious government effort to discredit him?
He's famous enough now that he can just do the "it's research for a book" handwave.
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Old 11-30-10, 04:18 PM   #28
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He's famous enough now that he can just do the "it's research for a book" handwave.
And believe me, you have to be famous enough.
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Old 11-30-10, 04:18 PM   #29
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To be fair, "Top Secret" documents from Italy are probably along the lines of "Top 10 Hottest Porn Stars".
and the government positions they hold.
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Old 11-30-10, 04:37 PM   #30
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the latest is that wikileaks is sitting on a treasure trove of corporate documents including a major international bank and drug company
And yet they're holding off releasing until some time next year.
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Old 11-30-10, 04:45 PM   #31
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

I just hope the Obama administration doesn't puss out and holds firm to its characterization of Kim Jong-Il as "flabby".
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Old 11-30-10, 04:49 PM   #32
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He's famous enough now that he can just do the "it's research for a book" handwave.
He's no Pete Townshend, but he might be a Gary Glitter.
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Old 11-30-10, 07:27 PM   #33
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I can't wait until they uncover the Roswell files.
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Old 11-30-10, 08:55 PM   #34
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Why doesnt the FBI just say he is selling bootlegs dvd's and take over his website. Sounds like a plan to me.

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Old 11-30-10, 09:06 PM   #35
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I think we should sic teams of (Federally-employed) hackers on him (clandestinely, of course).

I've read about the lengths this prick has to go to just to stay somewhat safe (people are after him, and I say to that), and I hope someone catches up to him....and kills him. He deserves no less for the hundreds of thousands of violations of privacy without regard for the innocent people getting caught up in his absurd "crusade".

He serves no ones' "best interests" but his own, no matter what Wikileaks claims on their site.
This coming from the guy who claims he hasn't paid taxes in 87 years. I thought you'd be all for someone whose goal is to expose the dirty secrets of world governments.

And I hope he keeps at it. We're living in the information age. Let's show these governments that they can't just get away with anything.
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Old 11-30-10, 09:17 PM   #36
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

According to reports, Wikileaks is going after the Russians next. Bad move. The USA will just bitch and moan. But the Russians don't fool around. They'll kill you.

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As U.S. officials struggle to control damage from the secret cables, Russia is planning to block a similar dump about the Kremlin. And they will be ruthless, Philip Shenon reports.

American intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, outraged by their inability to stop WikiLeaks and its release this week of hundreds of thousands of sensitive U.S. diplomatic cables, are convinced that the whistleblowing website is about to come up against an adversary that will stop at nothing to shut it down: the Russian government

National-security officials say that the National Security Agency, the U.S. government’s eavesdropping agency, has already picked up tell-tale electronic evidence that WikiLeaks is under close surveillance by the Russian FSB, that country’s domestic spy network, out of fear in Moscow that WikiLeaks is prepared to release damaging personal information about Kremlin leaders.

“We may not have been able to stop WikiLeaks so far, and it’s been frustrating,” a U.S. law-enforcement official tells The Daily Beast. “The Russians play by different rules.” He said that if WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, follow through on threats to post highly embarrassing information about the Russian government and what is assumed to be massive corruption among its leaders, “the Russians will be ruthless in stopping WikiLeaks.”

A U.S. military official said the U.S. assumed that WikiLeaks had access to sources who could supply the site with detailed, damaging information about Russian leaders; those sources would likely include wealthy Russian expatriates who have had the resources over the years to conduct far-ranging private investigations of graft among Kremlin leaders, including their movement of assets outside Russia.

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Old 11-30-10, 09:37 PM   #37
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We're living in the information age. Let's show these governments that they can't just get away with anything.
I agree with regard to videos that show civilians being killed, etc. if a government has denied it. Let the truth be known.

Unfortunately, that sort of thing seems to be a very small percentage of what has been leaked to date. There is still very much a rightful role of privacy and secrecy in much that goes on in the world with regard to security and even international relations. There are times when the private message must differ from the public one for the sake of diplomacy. Upsetting that balance reeks of an agenda, rather than disclosure to benefit society as a whole.
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Old 11-30-10, 09:39 PM   #38
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

The Bank of America leak is taking so long because he has 50GB off someone high ups hardrive and they dont want to just throw a zip file up there but make it readable.

I say although he seems like a douch personally hats off to him

And seriously hang the army corporal that gave him the info
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Old 11-30-10, 09:46 PM   #39
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

Assange is an anti-American wanna be anarchist douche bag. He has only one agenda and that's to hurt the US. I wonder how many people this info has and will get killed?

The original US leak needs to be imprisoned for life. Him bragging online how he did it, stealing documents everyday for 8 months.
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Old 11-30-10, 10:27 PM   #40
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According to reports, Wikileaks is going after the Russians next. Bad move. The USA will just bitch and moan. But the Russians don't fool around. They'll kill you.
Damn right.

That son of a bitch is a dead man if he screws with them.
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Old 11-30-10, 11:08 PM   #41
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This was tried. His site went through a massive denial of service attack that failed. Some think it was the feds who tried it. Evidently, they are not aware that the information has already propagated all over the internet.
I think the Russian mafia was behind that dos attack.

Wikileaks moved their servers to amazon. Amazon really should cut the servers before the Russian stuff gets out.

As for the site itself: I think this is just mostly stuff we already know. Maybe it is true some people would be in danger if their names were leaked. Some responsibility is required.

What's amazing is that the army guy might get life in prison (as he should) but the hacker who stole FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND credit card numbers from the fed reserve might only get a max sentence of 10 years!
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Old 12-01-10, 12:28 AM   #42
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This coming from the guy who claims he hasn't paid taxes in 87 years. I thought you'd be all for someone who's goal is to expose the dirty secrets of world governments.



Yeah that did seem a bit out of character.
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Old 12-01-10, 01:17 AM   #43
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

The solution seems simple: the CIA should gather a mega dossier on Asange and everyone else involved with Wikileaks -- every bad thing they've ever done, every porn movie they've ever watched, every credit card number they have -- and release it to the public. After all, information wants to be free.
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What about the fact that he claims to have asked the State Department for assistance in redacting info and they rejected it?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...033771,00.html
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What happened to the child porn allegations against this guy, which he claimed were an obvious government effort to discredit him?
I think it was a raep charge, but now Interpol wants his ass in a sling now.

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Old 12-01-10, 08:33 AM   #46
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

My general reactions to this story:

I think this is a bit of a non-story as far as revealing new information. In general the revelations so far have hardly been surprising. Is anyone truly shocked to see that Pakistan is difficult to trust, Afghanistan is corrupt, the Saudi's don't trust the Iranians and that in general polititcians and diplomats sometimes don't say what they truly feel?

The Army private who allegedly illegally obtained and leaked the data is at least guilty of stealing secret data, at worst guilty of straight up treason. While the information itself isn't that damaging, the trust that foregin governments will have in the US diplomatic corps to keep things secret has suffered a huge blow. This is a serious crime and should be treated as such. jail for life should not be out of the question.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons why Governments need to have the ability to keep secrets. The members of the press and public who see this as some sort of heroic action against a grand conspiratorial cabal need to grow up. People need to stop calling WikiLeaks "whistleblowers" as it confers on them an air of respectability and integrity which they don't deserve. Assange seems like a self-agrandizing asshole with an agenda. Having said that, I understand why WikiLeaks did what they did and I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same thing in their place.

I'm pretty proud of living in a country where a "news" organization that gets this data is able to publish it. In many other countries, this never would have happened. Contrary to popular press sentimate, I think the US government is far more open than most other contries. I think the multiple embarrassments the US has suffered over this type of "leak" and other damaging revelations is the best possible demonstration of this fact. Every country has skeletons in its closet, but you don't hear about them too often outside of the US. Is this because the US is uniquely nefarious and conspiratorial? I don't think so.

The US Army needs to have a top-to-bottom assessment of how exactly a Private in an FOB was granted access to immense volumes of unencrypted, highly sensitive diplomatic cables. It's completely ridiculous and whoever made the decisions to allow this should probably face charges for gross negligence.

So yeah, I'm finding myself in the Bill O'Reilly - type camp. Christ.
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The solution seems simple: the CIA should gather a mega dossier on Asange and everyone else involved with Wikileaks -- every bad thing they've ever done, every porn movie they've ever watched, every credit card number they have -- and release it to the public. After all, information wants to be free.
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Damn right.

That son of a bitch is a dead man if he screws with them.
I kind of think the guy already signed his death warrant regardless. He'll be in some sort of auto accident or something.
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Old 12-01-10, 09:47 AM   #49
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i look at it like this

Nothing good comes from these leaks. The arguments on the need for transparency and first amendment rights all ring hollow.There are no benefits here. Things are classified to protect sources and methods. There are very real people behind these sources and methods who have much to lose if revealed. This is not trivial stuff. The current release is a lot of diplomatic traffic that is less threatening to critical sources but no less damaging to U.S. diplomatic efforts. If I wasn't in a position to see first hand the incompetence of our government I might be open to some of these conspiracy type theories, but take my word for it. We are not that capable.
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