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Old 11-29-10, 07:41 PM
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Obama Proposes Two-Year Pay Freeze For Federal Employees

I don't want to hear anymore about Obama not wanting to reduce federal spending and reduce the deficit.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ral-employees/
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2 billion saved. WE are saved. Thank you Barrack Hussein Obama!
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I'm willing to give the guy some credit. But this is just a first baby step in a long journey. Let's see if he can keep moving forward or if he'll turn around and go backwards.
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So why doesn't this apply to the military?
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So why doesn't this apply to the military?
There are two wars going on. Freezing military pay under the present circumstances would be political suicide.
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So why doesn't this apply to the military?


He wouldn't get Republican support if it applied to the military.

That's the real reason.
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Re: Obama Proposes Two-Year Pay Freeze For Federal Employees

Also, civilian employees tend not to put themselves in harm's way in order to do their jobs.
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And if they do, it means they're probably not doing their jobs correctly.
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Re: Obama Proposes Two-Year Pay Freeze For Federal Employees

Does this include Obama himself? And congress?
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Does this include Obama himself?
Really?

The Constitution forbids the President's compensation to be either raised or diminished for the term they are elected.
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Old 11-29-10, 11:08 PM
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And people are falling for this one hook, line and sinker. This is a very astute move by Obama and I am very confident that the decision on this proposal was made with full prior knowledge and (unofficial) cooperation of the large and very powerful federal public sector unions. Sure, the NTEU and the like will speak out against it, but their doing so is a mere formality.

Federal employee wages are in the crosshairs right now (and rightly so). What Obama has proposed today is a very minor adjustment indeed. With inflation down so low, the cost of living increase fed employees were going to see would have been minor anyway. Total adverse effect on federal employees is slight. They should all breathe a huge sigh of relief. It could have been much, much worse.

What it does do is get (they hope) federal wages off the front burner and it makes the President look good again by looking proactive about trimming the budget.
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I do wonder about the varied reactions to the equivalency of freezing federal pay and the taxation/limitation bailed-out Wall Street bonuses vis-a-vie retention of the "best and brightest."
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This really doesn't do much, but it is nice window dressing. If you are a federal employee, this doesn't stop you from going up in classification for simply keeping your job, and the steps are a pretty good raise. It isn't just federal employees, my wife is a teacher and even though they had a salary freeze, her salary went up a few thousand bucks because she went up the scale. So we are really just talking about a COLA freeze. But it is a decent start. Hopefully it isn't an excuse to do nothing else because they claim that fed employees have now felt the same sting as the private sector.
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Old 11-29-10, 11:39 PM
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This should have been done sooner, but it's a start. The number of federal workers/agencies is the bigger issue though.
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Indeed. A hiring freeze would impress me more.
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Or maybe a fire sale.
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Also, civilian employees tend not to put themselves in harm's way in order to do their jobs.
I dunno, they tend to get into throwdowns at the DMV from time to time. Not as crazy as a firefight in Basra, mind you, unless the local gangs get involved.
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My wife is a teacher and even though they had a salary freeze, her salary went up a few thousand bucks because she went up the scale.
And how many horses was she able to buy because of this?
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Indeed. A hiring freeze would impress me more.


I suppose you want a hiring freeze for non-federal employees also.
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I suppose you want a hiring freeze for non-federal employees also.
I think we have already had that for a while now.
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Old 11-30-10, 09:51 AM
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Today is the big meeting day.

One thing is pretty certain. Both the president & his folks & the Republicans will stay in the meeting as long as possible in order to tell the public that progress was made.
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i have a hard time feeling sympathy for any federal employee bitching about this when there haven't been raises in the private sector for years.

hell, as a local government employee i haven't had a raise in about 5 years. not even a single COL raise.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet View Post
Also, civilian employees tend not to put themselves in harm's way in order to do their jobs.
All 1.5 million military members put themselves in harm's way?
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All 1.5 million military members put themselves in harm's way?
Originally Posted by Enlistment Oath
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
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So every person sees combat? If so, I'm all for it. I have a hard time believing that however.
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