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Old 11-02-10, 07:09 AM
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I cast my absentee ballot for Satan

At least according to the the other guy. Of course, my guy says the other guy is really Beelzebub, so who knows which one is the lesser evil.

At least 90% of the ads running in my area are negative, tearing down the opponent instead of saying what the guy running the ad stands for. I am ready to scream. Normally, I DVR some shows and watch others live. But for the past few weeks, the only way I can be trusted with a TV is watching a recorded show with a remote in my hand to FF the political ads. No thousand points of light here but a real risk of a thousand shards of glass.

Lets face it, politicians lie like bears shit in the woods. But when a pol. lies about himself and his plans, you can hold him accountable at the next election. There isn't much recourse when he lies about his opponent.
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Old 11-02-10, 07:52 AM
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Why do candidates use so many negative ads?

Because they work.

In addition - you wouldn't really want a campaign without the spice provided by negative ads - now would you?
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Why do candidates use so many negative ads?

Because they work.
Not really.
Contrary to ideas that are currently widely accepted, the literature provides no significant support for the suppositions that negative political ads are especially disliked, are especially effective, or substantially undermine public support for and participation in the electoral process.
Lau, Richard R., Lee Sigelman, Caroline Heldman, Paul Babbitt. 1999. 'Effects of Negative Political Advertisements: A Meta-Analytic Assessment.' The American Political Science Review 93: 851-875
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You wasted your vote. Satan won't appear on the ballot until 2012.
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You wasted your vote. Satan won't appear on the ballot until 2012.
You really think Palin has a chance at the nomination?
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Old 11-02-10, 08:50 AM
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I've always vowed to never vote for a hockey player, and I'm certainly not going to start now.
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I looked on Youtube, but I can't seem to find the clips. Anyone remember the SNL political parody bit from many years ago that Will Ferrell did? Ferrell was a candidate running vicious, personal negative attack ads against his opponent, and continued putting out new ones even after he had won the election. Something like "John Lidstrom lost the election, and now he's telling me to just let it go, to leave him and his family alone. Well, I'm not going to do that. Your failed policies lost you the election, John Lidstrom, and you're STILL a loser."
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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
Why do candidates use so many negative ads?

Because they work.

In addition - you wouldn't really want a campaign without the spice provided by negative ads - now would you?
Yes, I would actually prefer to have each liar explain what he claims to stand for, so that if he wins, I know when to be disappointed.
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So is everyone who votes today going to start their own thread about it?
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So is everyone who votes today going to start their own thread about it?
i was wondering the same thing
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Yes, I would actually prefer to have each liar explain what he claims to stand for, so that if he wins, I know when to be disappointed.
Based on a cursory viewing of a few ads, what most candidates stand for is pretty similar:
  • Good jobs for Americans (and not any of those other people)
  • Lower taxes
  • Money for the people of the district/state (works better if you're an incumbent)
  • Less money for the people of other districts/states
  • Lower deficits
  • Hard work
  • Not sending jobs overseas
  • Children
  • American flags waving in the breeze
  • Farms
  • Did I mention jobs?
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
Based on a cursory viewing of a few ads, what most candidates stand for is pretty similar:
  • Good jobs for Americans (and not any of those other people)
  • Lower taxes
  • Money for the people of the district/state (works better if you're an incumbent)
  • Less money for the people of other districts/states
  • Lower deficits
  • Hard work
  • Not sending jobs overseas
  • Children
  • American flags waving in the breeze
  • Farms
  • Did I mention jobs?
You forgot vacations for them and their families. It seems like every MD candidate's commercial has them hanging out by the water or on their boat.
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Old 11-02-10, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
Not really.
Lau, Richard R., Lee Sigelman, Caroline Heldman, Paul Babbitt. 1999. 'Effects of Negative Political Advertisements: A Meta-Analytic Assessment.' The American Political Science Review 93: 851-875
But on the round table, they all agreed that negative ads work. I don't know who to believe.
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Originally Posted by orangecrush View Post
But on the round table, they all agreed that negative ads work. I don't know who to believe.
Tell me, is this article 'gated' for you?:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...7.00618.x/full
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I don't know what anyone stands for..all the ads are mudslinging ads.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
Based on a cursory viewing of a few ads, what most candidates stand for is pretty similar:
  • Good jobs for Americans (and not any of those other people)
  • Lower taxes
  • Money for the people of the district/state (works better if you're an incumbent)
  • Less money for the people of other districts/states
  • Lower deficits
  • Hard work
  • Not sending jobs overseas
  • Children
  • American flags waving in the breeze
  • Farms
  • Did I mention jobs?
You forgot standing up to Obama and ending bailouts.
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You forgot standing up to Obama and ending bailouts.
That wasn't universal, however. While none of the Democrats for whom I saw ads explicitly stated they were proud to vote with Obama's agenda, I don't think any of them said they opposed it, or would oppose it in the future.
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Negative ads work. No doubt about it.

I suppose if you want to pin your entire opinion of that on a single study that throws in the 'especially' modifier, which is open to virtually any interpretation, that's fine. But negative ads work and work well. A good negative ad can change the outcome of an election, plenty of examples of just that happening. They are used because they work. That doesn't mean every negative ad is well done or will sway voters, like anything the quality of something and the time and place it is delivered play a role, but they are used because they work.
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But do they work?
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No.
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As much as negative ads annoy me, it's the fake "taking the high road" ad late in the campaign that really bug me. The best being when they say things like "I could attack him on this, or that, but I won't"
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But do they work?
Why don't you read the article* I linked to? (Unless the link doesn't work for you, in which case I can summarize the findings.)


* Which is itself a summary of 111 separate studies of the effects of negative campaign ads.
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Old 11-02-10, 10:15 AM
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Ask Sen. John Kerry.
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I don't remember the last campaign that wasn't negative, so I'll go ahead and say they work about 50% of the time.
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