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"I am looking for a Christian roommate" = DISCRIMINATION

Old 10-24-10, 11:48 AM
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It's time to admit that all those personal ads we see for men seeking women are discriminatory, too. Where's my lawyer, dammit?
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It's time to admit that all those personal ads we see for men seeking women are discriminatory, too. Where's my lawyer, dammit?
"Why would you care what religion your date is?"
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The Fair Housing Center of West Michigan might ask for an initial reimbursement of $300 for time spent on the issue and training for the woman, in addition to pulling down the ad, Haynes said.
Training? "Don't do that." / "Okay". How is that $300 in training?
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I've had plenty of Fair Housing training for continuing education (Realtor). My understanding has always been that in an owner occupied property she can discriminate who to rent to, she just can't advertise it. Like others have said, both landlord and roommate would have to meet over coffee and waste everyone's time.

It is absolutely STUPID that it applies to a CHURCH bulletin board.

That said, I think if she worded the ad: Christian woman seeks roommate she could have had the same renters she wanted but without it sounding discriminatory.
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"Why would you care what religion your date is?"
When you date someone, you do it with an eye toward potentially starting a family and raising children with them. Looking for someone with compatible beliefs makes sense.

When you find a roommate, you're looking for someone who will split the electric bill and won't eat your groceries without permission. I've lived with Christians (of varying degrees of observation), Jews, atheists, and a Jain. I saw absolutely no relationship between how good a roommate they were and how they prayed (or didn't, as the case may be).
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Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
I've had plenty of Fair Housing training for continuing education (Realtor). My understanding has always been that in an owner occupied property she can discriminate who to rent to, she just can't advertise it. Like others have said, both landlord and roommate would have to meet over coffee and waste everyone's time.

It is absolutely STUPID that it applies to a CHURCH bulletin board.

That said, I think if she worded the ad: Christian woman seeks roommate she could have had the same renters she wanted but without it sounding discriminatory.
I agree that the regulation as applied in this case is silly and a waste of time. Hell, by putting her ad up on a Church bulletin board, she could have left the word "Christian" out entirely and still probably wound up in the same place. How likely is it that a Hindu will be wandering through the church, see the ad, and decide to answer it.
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The worst roommate I ever had was a Christian nut - freshman year of college.
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When you date someone, you do it with an eye toward potentially starting a family and raising children with them. Looking for someone with compatible beliefs makes sense.

When you find a roommate, you're looking for someone who will split the electric bill and won't eat your groceries without permission. I've lived with Christians (of varying degrees of observation), Jews, atheists, and a Jain. I saw absolutely no relationship between how good a roommate they were and how they prayed (or didn't, as the case may be).
As an atheist I would not care who lived with me as long as they shared my values and did not preach at me. If I were Christian then my faith and belief would be part of my values. That and just seeing how many atheists treat Christians on this forum (mocking references to invisible beings in the sky and such - you know, the atheist version of preaching) I would worry how much respect and tolerance I would get for my beliefs.

Frankly, given the choice in a perfect world, I would always prefer to live with another laid back atheist. I would just not like to feel uncomfortable and feel like my actions are being judged (real or imagined). I could see a Christian feeling that same level of discomfort.
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Re: "I am looking for a Christian roommate" = DISCRIMINATION

I just want to know the rationale for prohibiting certain language in advertisements. It sounds like if the woman left out the Christian part in the ad, but during the interview process said "well, I'm legally not allowed to say 'Christian roommates only,' but ... Christian roommates only," then that would be okay.

If I were a non-Christian, I'd rather just read about that right in the ad so I wouldn't waste my time even interviewing and spend that time looking for other places to live.
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Why does the woman care what religion her roommate is?
She doesn't want some heathen drawing pentograms all over the house, or building an altar to worship Satan.
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I just want to know the rationale for prohibiting certain language in advertisements. It sounds like if the woman left out the Christian part in the ad, but during the interview process said "well, I'm legally not allowed to say 'Christian roommates only,' but ... Christian roommates only," then that would be okay.

If I were a non-Christian, I'd rather just read about that right in the ad so I wouldn't waste my time even interviewing and spend that time looking for other places to live.
If she is in reality allowed to discriminate, saying she can't in advertising may be a freedom of speech restriction. If a landlord can't actually discriminate when a renter applies (apartment complex), it makes sense that he can't in an ad either.
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The new "Don't ask, don't tell" regulations.

The renters I have had the most problem with are the ones who volunteer the fact that they are Christian. I often tell them that it goes further if I can figure it out for myself.

It's a very stupid law/regulation. I suppose it is to keep people from feeling uncomfortable (because that's a legitimate government role), but it won't ever change the end result. But, we must keep up appearances, you know.
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I always figured a Christian would want a non-Christian room mate for proselytizing.
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As an atheist I would not care who lived with me as long as they shared my values and did not preach at me. If I were Christian then my faith and belief would be part of my values. That and just seeing how many atheists treat Christians on this forum (mocking references to invisible beings in the sky and such - you know, the atheist version of preaching) I would worry how much respect and tolerance I would get for my beliefs.

Frankly, given the choice in a perfect world, I would always prefer to live with another laid back atheist. I would just not like to feel uncomfortable and feel like my actions are being judged (real or imagined). I could see a Christian feeling that same level of discomfort.
Judgmental people will find a reason to be judgmental. It's not as if you can take any two Christians in the world and their guaranteed to get along. It reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
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Judgmental people will find a reason to be judgmental. It's not as if you can take any two Christians in the world and their guaranteed to get along. It reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke:
If I had a Christian (or any kind of religious) roommate I would be uncomfortable being myself around them. Whether they were actively and visually judging me it would be in the back of my mind. Can they hear my porn, my "alone time", my girlfriend's moans, my OTHER girl friend's moans? Will they feel obligated to tell one about the other?

Regardless of the reality I would feel uncomfortable. Don't I have a right to not feel uncomfortable in my own home?
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If I had a Christian (or any kind of religious) roommate I would be uncomfortable being myself around them. Whether they were actively and visually judging me it would be in the back of my mind. Can they hear my porn, my "alone time", my girlfriend's moans, my OTHER girl friend's moans? Will they feel obligated to tell one about the other?

Regardless of the reality I would feel uncomfortable. Don't I have a right to not feel uncomfortable in my own home?
Sure. I guess my point is that "shares my religious beliefs, broadly speaking" seems to be an incredibly poor proxy for "I feel comfortable around him/her." If you told me that you were looking for a roommate and you spent time getting to know them to decide if the two of you were a good fit, I'd think that made sense. If you told me that you were looking for a roommate and you really cared about him/her being a good fit, and the way you determined whether they were a good fit was by asking "Are you an atheist?" and nothing else, I'd think you were a little nutty.
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If I had a Christian (or any kind of religious) roommate I would be uncomfortable being myself around them. Whether they were actively and visually judging me it would be in the back of my mind. Can they hear my porn, my "alone time", my girlfriend's moans, my OTHER girl friend's moans? Will they feel obligated to tell one about the other?

Regardless of the reality I would feel uncomfortable. Don't I have a right to not feel uncomfortable in my own home?
And thats the thing - I've always lived alone but if I were to rent a room I'd prefer it be to someone that I'm on the same page with, it's just easier for everyone. I think that's what you're saying too - right?

I'm curious about this mindreading ability you're talking about. Personally I'm only concerned with how someone treats me - not what they may or may not be thinking in the back of their mind. In other words - I don't care if they think I'm going to hell, I care if they try to physically send me there.

Don't you think it's a little paranoid to be assuming that no matter how friendly and respectful a believer may treat you, what they're really thinking is that you're going to burn in the flames of hell? Honestly, I'm not thinking that.
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Sure. I guess my point is that "shares my religious beliefs, broadly speaking" seems to be an incredibly poor proxy for "I feel comfortable around him/her." If you told me that you were looking for a roommate and you spent time getting to know them to decide if the two of you were a good fit, I'd think that made sense. If you told me that you were looking for a roommate and you really cared about him/her being a good fit, and the way you determined whether they were a good fit was by asking "Are you an atheist?" and nothing else, I'd think you were a little nutty.
As far as I'm concerned knowing before I interview someone whether they were religeous or not would save a hell of a lot of useless time. The chances are much greater I would get along with an atheist better. I have know problem with a Christian thinking the same.
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea View Post
I just want to know the rationale for prohibiting certain language in advertisements. It sounds like if the woman left out the Christian part in the ad, but during the interview process said "well, I'm legally not allowed to say 'Christian roommates only,' but ... Christian roommates only," then that would be okay.
Well, if she were really smart, during the interview she'd ask a few leading questions to get the applicant to discuss their thoughts on religion (even a question like, "I'm a devout Christian, would it bother you living with someone like that?") and if they aren't devout enough, she'd say "Thanks for your time. I'll let you know of my decision in the coming weeks" and then cross that applicant off the list. No one feels butt hurt and no one comes down on her for violating the Fair Housing Act.
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I'm curious about this mindreading ability you're talking about. Personally I'm only concerned with how someone treats me - not what they may or may not be thinking in the back of their mind. In other words - I don't care if they think I'm going to hell, I care if they try to physically send me there.
What I am saying is if I believe I may be judged and simply that belief makes me uncomfortable, why should I have to put up with discomfort in my own home? Just because you wouldn't feel uncomfortable doesn't mean someone else wouldn't.
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What I am saying is if I believe I may be judged and simply that belief makes me uncomfortable, why should I have to put up with discomfort in my own home? Just because you wouldn't feel uncomfortable doesn't mean someone else wouldn't.
Hmm, well I guess something equivalent for me would be grabbing my Bible and going out the door to Church. I'm sure there are neighbors that see me and absolutely hate and despise that... I do think about it sometimes, but as I said, would be more concerned over treatment than potential thoughts which may or may not be there.
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It reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.


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While it's nice to say "Who cares what anyone thinks of you," if you were really living with someone who looked down on you for who you are or what you believe, it would become a tense situation really fast.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet View Post
While it's nice to say "Who cares what anyone thinks of you," if you were really living with someone who looked down on you for who you are or what you believe, it would become a tense situation really fast.
Like I said, of course I'd prefer to live with someone I'm compatible with. I was just fascinated with the larger idea Dave was talking about.
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