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How much money would the US Government save?

Old 09-10-10, 05:53 PM
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How much money would the US Government save?

If next year they closed the borders,allowed exports but not imports, recalled all their foreign diplomats,brought back home all the troops around the world(stopped playing World Cop) and didn't send aid to any country and banned work from leaving our country?
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We'd lose money simply by not allowing imports. We'd lose a lot of money.
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Hello, Monroe. Still pimping that old doctrine of yours, eh?
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None because they'd just spend it all (and more)?
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That's not the Monroe doctrine. That's (Robert) Taft Republicanism, only to an extreme degree that would have made even Taft recoil in horror.
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Re: How much money would the US Government save?

Closing the Mexican border is estimated to cost trillions of dollars. Enforcing the border would cost money, not save money.

If we stopped imports, retail spending would plummet becasue there would be nothing to sell. All our shit is made in China.

If your Ipod was made in America it would cost $45,000.

Foriegn diplomats clear the way for our companies to make money in other countries. Big American companies that employ millions of Americans (like Coke and McDonalds) make 75% or more of their money overseas.

Your idea is bad.
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Your idea is bad.
Can we make this the unofficial "motto" of the politics forum?
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If Obama proposed this, I'm sure the republicans would shoot it down, saying it was all just a ploy for Government Motors to sell more cars...
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If we stop playing World Cup the world will hate us even more.
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I've heard imported oil is actually cheaper than Alaskan oil. Foreign tankers can beeline straight across the ocean to our refineries. Alaskan oil has to go all the way down to Panama canal and back up again which actually makes it more expensive because of the transport costs. Just something I heard.
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Re: How much money would the US Government save?

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If next year they closed the borders,allowed exports but not imports, recalled all their foreign diplomats,brought back home all the troops around the world(stopped playing World Cop) and didn't send aid to any country and banned work from leaving our country?
Quie simply, our economy would be destroyed. Read Adam Smith sometime, especially the parts dealing with competitive advantage. You block imports into this country, you start a trade war. And since we don't manufacture for shit, we're left with a bunch of agriculture nobody will take. At least we won't starve.

Regarding foreign aid: people bitch about the billions of dollars we send to Israel, but they fail to realize that most of it (70-80%, I believe) is earmarked for buying American products (mainly arms).
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Read Adam Smith sometime
Thanks, but I only read AMERICANS.
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Re: How much money would the US Government save?

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I've heard imported oil is actually cheaper than Alaskan oil. Foreign tankers can beeline straight across the ocean to our refineries. Alaskan oil has to go all the way down to Panama canal and back up again which actually makes it more expensive because of the transport costs. Just something I heard.
Oil is fungible.
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Re: How much money would the US Government save?

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I've heard imported oil is actually cheaper than Alaskan oil. Foreign tankers can beeline straight across the ocean to our refineries. Alaskan oil has to go all the way down to Panama canal and back up again which actually makes it more expensive because of the transport costs. Just something I heard.
Not when they come into the refineries on the West Coast.
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Not when they come into the refineries on the West Coast.
The person who was saying this said the only refineries were in the gulf coast.
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The person who was saying this said the only refineries were in the gulf coast.
That person doesn't know what they're talking about.

RANK CORPORATION COMPANY STATE SITE Barrels per Calendar Day

1 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO Texas BAYTOWN 560,640
2 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO Louisiana BATON ROUGE 504,500
3 BP PLC BP PRODUCTS NORTH AMERICA INC Texas TEXAS CITY 437,080
4 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Louisiana GARYVILLE 436,000
5 PDV AMERICA INC CITGO PETROLEUM CORP Louisiana LAKE CHARLES 429,500
6 BP PLC BP PRODUCTS NORTH AMERICA INC Indiana WHITING 405,000
7 WRB REFINING LLC WRB REFINING LLC Illinois WOOD RIVER 362,000
8 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO Texas BEAUMONT 344,500
9 SUNOCO INC SUNOCO INC (R&M) Pennsylvania PHILADELPHIA 335,000
10 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC Mississippi PASCAGOULA 330,000
11 DEER PARK REFINING LTD PTNRSHP DEER PARK REFINING LTD PARTNERSHIP Texas DEER PARK 327,000
12 KOCH INDUSTRIES INC Flint Hills Resources LP Texas CORPUS CHRISTI 290,078
13 VALERO ENERGY CORP PREMCOR REFINING GROUP INC Texas PORT ARTHUR 287,000
14 MOTIVA ENTERPRISES LLC Motiva Enterprises LLC Texas PORT ARTHUR 285,000
15 ACCESS INDUSTRIES HOUSTON REFINING LP Texas HOUSTON 280,700
16 KOCH INDUSTRIES INC Flint Hills Resources LP Minnesota SAINT PAUL 280,500
17 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC California EL SEGUNDO 265,500
18 BP PLC BP West Coast Products LLC California LOS ANGELES 265,000

19 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Louisiana BELLE CHASSE 247,000
20 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Texas SWEENY 247,000
21 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC California RICHMOND 245,271
22 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Louisiana WESTLAKE 239,400
23 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO Illinois JOLIET 238,600
24 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY New Jersey LINDEN 238,000
25 MOTIVA ENTERPRISES LLC Motiva Enterprises LLC Louisiana CONVENT 235,000
26 MOTIVA ENTERPRISES LLC Motiva Enterprises LLC Louisiana NORCO 234,700
27 TOTAL SA TOTAL PETROCHEMICALS INC Texas PORT ARTHUR 232,000
28 BP PLC BP West Coast Products LLC Washington FERNDALE 225,000
29 KOCH INDUSTRIES INC FLINT HILLS RESOURCES ALASKA LLC Alaska NORTH POLE 219,500
30 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO TEXAS LP Texas TEXAS CITY 214,000
31 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Kentucky CATLETTSBURG 212,000
32 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Illinois ROBINSON 206,000
33 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Oklahoma PONCA CITY 198,400
34 CHALMETTE REFINING LLC Chalmette Refining LLC Louisiana CHALMETTE 192,500
35 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING NEW ORLEANS LLC Louisiana NORCO 185,003
36 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Pennsylvania TRAINER 185,000
37 VALERO ENERGY CORP PREMCOR REFINING GROUP INC Tennessee MEMPHIS 180,000
38 SUNOCO INC SUNOCO INC Pennsylvania MARCUS HOOK 178,000
39 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO ENERGY CORPORATION Texas SUNRAY 171,000
40 PDV AMERICA INC PDV Midwest Refining LLC Illinois LEMONT 167,000
41 TESORO CORP TESORO REFINING & MARKETING CO California MARTINEZ 166,000
42 PDV AMERICA INC CITGO REFINING & CHEMICAL INC Texas CORPUS CHRISTI 163,000
43 SUNOCO INC SUNOCO INC Ohio TOLEDO 160,000
44 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO NEW JERSEY New Jersey PAULSBORO 160,000
45 ROYAL DUTCH/SHELL GROUP Shell Oil Products US California MARTINEZ 156,400
46 HUSKY ENERGY INC LIMA REFINING COMPANY Ohio LIMA 150,000
47 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO California TORRANCE 149,500

48 WRB REFINING LLC WRB REFINING LLC Texas BORGER 146,000
49 ROYAL DUTCH/SHELL GROUP Shell Oil Products US Washington ANACORTES 145,000
50 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO CALIFORNIA California BENICIA 144,000

51 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO TEXAS LP Texas CORPUS CHRISTI 142,000
52 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY California WILMINGTON 139,000
53 FRONTIER OIL REFINING & MKTG FRONTIER EL DORADO REFINING CO Kansas EL DORADO 130,000
54 BP HUSKY REFINING LLC BP-HUSKY REFINING LLC Ohio TOLEDO 125,700
55 WESTERN REFINING INC. WESTERN REFINING COMPANY LP Texas EL PASO 122,000
56 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY California RODEO 120,200
57 MURPHY OIL CORP MURPHY OIL USA INC Louisiana MERAUX 120,000
58 TESORO CORP Tesoro West Coast Washington ANACORTES 120,000
59 CVR ENERGY INC COFFEYVILLE RESOURCES RFG & MKTG LLC Kansas COFFEYVILLE 115,700
60 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Michigan DETROIT 106,000
61 HOLLY CORP NAVAJO REFINING CO New Mexico ARTESIA 105,000
62 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Washington FERNDALE 100,000
63 PETROLEO BRASILEIRO SA PASADENA REFINING SYSTEMS INC Texas PASADENA 100,000
64 TESORO CORP TESORO REFINING & MARKETING CO California WILMINGTON 96,860
65 TESORO CORP TESORO HAWAII CORP Hawaii EWA BEACH 93,500

66 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO ENERGY CORPORATION Texas THREE RIVERS 93,000
67 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO OKLAHOMA Oklahoma ARDMORE 87,400
68 CHS INC NCRA Kansas MCPHERSON 85,500
69 HOLLY CORP HOLLY REFINING & MARKETING CO Oklahoma TULSA WEST 85,000
70 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO TEXAS LP Texas HOUSTON 83,000
71 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO CALIFORNIA California WILMINGTON REFINERY 80,887
72 ALON ISRAEL OIL COMPANY LTD ALON REFINING KROTZ SPRINGS INC Louisiana KROTZ SPRINGS 80,000
73 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC New Jersey PERTH AMBOY 80,000
74 ROYAL DUTCH/SHELL GROUP SHELL CHEMICAL LP Alabama SARALAND 80,000
75 TRANSWORLD OIL USA INC CALCASIEU REFINING CO Louisiana LAKE CHARLES 78,000
76 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Ohio CANTON 78,000
77 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Texas TEXAS CITY 76,000
78 ERGON INC LION OIL CO Arkansas EL DORADO 75,000
79 MARATHON OIL CORP MARATHON PETROLEUM CO LLC Minnesota SAINT PAUL 74,000
80 SINCLAIR OIL CORP SINCLAIR WYOMING REFINING CO Wyoming SINCLAIR 74,000
81 TESORO CORP TESORO ALASKA PETROLEUM CO Alaska KENAI 72,000
82 HOLLY CORP HOLLY REFINING & MARKETING CO Oklahoma TULSA EAST 70,300
83 GARY WILLIAMS CO WYNNEWOOD REFINING CO Oklahoma WYNNEWOOD 70,000
84 ALON ISRAEL OIL COMPANY LTD ALON USA ENERGY INC Texas BIG SPRING 67,000
85 SUNCOR ENERGY INC SUNCOR ENERGY (USA) INC Colorado COMMERCE CITY WEST 67,000
86 WESTERN REFINING INC. WESTERN REFINING YORKTOWN INC Virginia YORKTOWN 66,300
87 FLYING J INC BIG WEST OF CALIFORNIA California BAKERSFIELD 66,000
88 UNITED REFINING INC UNITED REFINING CO Pennsylvania WARREN 65,000
89 EXXON MOBIL CORP EXXONMOBIL REFINING & SUPPLY CO Montana BILLINGS 60,000
90 CHS INC Cenex Harvest States Coop Montana LAUREL 59,600
91 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS COMPANY Montana BILLINGS 58,000
92 DELEK GROUP LTD DELEK REFINING LTD Texas TYLER 58,000
93 TESORO CORP Tesoro West Coast North Dakota MANDAN 58,000
94 TESORO CORP Tesoro West Coast Utah SALT LAKE CITY 58,000
95 CALUMET LUBRICANTS CO CALUMET SHREVEPORT LLC Louisiana SHREVEPORT 57,000
96 PLACID OIL CO PLACID REFINING CO Louisiana PORT ALLEN 57,000
97 ARCTIC SLOPE REGIONAL CORP PETRO STAR INC Alaska VALDEZ 55,000
98 ROYAL DUTCH/SHELL GROUP SHELL CHEMICAL LP Louisiana SAINT ROSE 55,000
99 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC Hawaii HONOLULU 54,000
100 ALON ISRAEL OIL COMPANY LTD PARAMOUNT PETROLEUM CORPORATION California PARAMOUNT 53,000

101 FRONTIER OIL REFINING & MKTG FRONTIER REFINING INC Wyoming CHEYENNE 47,000
102 CHEVRON CORP CHEVRON USA INC Utah SALT LAKE CITY 45,000
103 COMPAGNIE NATIONALE A PORTEFEUILLE US OIL & REFINING CO Washington TACOMA 37,850
104 HUNT CONSLD INC HUNT REFINING CO Alabama TUSCALOOSA 36,000
105 SUNCOR ENERGY INC SUNCOR ENERGY (USA) INC Colorado COMMERCE CITY EAST 35,000
106 MURPHY OIL CORP MURPHY OIL USA INC Wisconsin SUPERIOR 34,300
107 NUSTAR ENERGY LP NUSTAR ASPHALT REFINING LLC New Jersey PAULSBORO 32,000
108 ALON ISRAEL OIL COMPANY LTD EDGINGTON OIL CO INC California LONG BEACH 31,500
109 FLYING J INC BIG WEST OIL CO Utah NORTH SALT LAKE 29,400
110 NUSTAR ENERGY LP NUSTAR ASPHALT REFINING LLC Georgia SAVANNAH 28,000
111 COUNTRYMARK COOP INC COUNTRYMARK COOPERATIVE INC Indiana MOUNT VERNON 26,500
112 KERN OIL & REFINING CO KERN OIL & REFINING CO California BAKERSFIELD 26,000
113 HOLLY CORP HOLLY REFINING & MARKETING CO Utah WOODS CROSS 25,050
114 SINCLAIR OIL CORP LITTLE AMERICA REFINING CO Wyoming EVANSVILLE 24,500
115 ERGON INC ERGON REFINING INC Mississippi VICKSBURG 23,000
116 WESTERN REFINING INC. WESTERN REFINING SOUTHWEST INC New Mexico GALLUP 20,800
117 ERGON INC ERGON WEST VIRGINIA INC West Virginia NEWELL 20,000
118 ARCTIC SLOPE REGIONAL CORP PETRO STAR INC Alaska NORTH POLE 19,700
119 WESTERN REFINING INC. WESTERN REFINING SOUTHWEST INC New Mexico BLOOMFIELD 16,800
120 CONOCOPHILLIPS CONOCOPHILLIPS ALASKA INC Alaska PRUDHOE BAY 15,000
121 SAN JOAQUIN REFINING CO INC SAN JOAQUIN REFINING CO INC California BAKERSFIELD 15,000

122 AGE REFINING & MARKETING INC AGE REFINING INC Texas SAN ANTONIO 14,021
123 WYOMING REFINING CO WYOMING REFINING CO Wyoming NEW CASTLE 14,000
124 CALUMET LUBRICANTS CO CALUMET LUBRICANTS CO LP Louisiana COTTON VALLEY 13,020
125 BP PLC BP EXPLORATION ALASKA INC Alaska PRUDHOE BAY 12,780
126 VENTURA REFINING AND TRANSMISSION LLC VENTURA REFINING & TRANSMISSION LLC Oklahoma THOMAS 12,000
127 HUNT CONSLD INC HUNT SOUTHLAND REFINING CO Mississippi SANDERSVILLE 11,000
128 SILVER EAGLE REFINING INC Silver Eagle Refining Utah WOODS CROSS 10,250
129 AMERICAN REFINING GROUP INC AMERICAN REFINING GROUP INC Pennsylvania BRADFORD 10,000
130 CONNACHER OIL & GAS LTD MONTANA REFINING CO Montana GREAT FALLS 10,000
131 GREKA ENERGY Greka Energy California SANTA MARIA 9,500
132 WORLD OIL CO LUNDAY THAGARD CO California SOUTH GATE 8,500

133 CALUMET LUBRICANTS CO CALUMET LUBRICANTS CO LP Louisiana PRINCETON 8,300
134 MARTIN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT GRP MARTIN MIDSTREAM PARTNERS LP Arkansas SMACKOVER 7,500
135 VALERO ENERGY CORP VALERO REFINING CO CALIFORNIA California WILMINGTON ASPHALT PLANT 6,300
136 MIDSOUTH ENERGY LLC SOMERSET ENERGY REFINING LLC Kentucky SOMERSET 5,500
137 GOODWAY REFINING LLC GOODWAY REFINING LLC Alabama ATMORE 4,100
138 GARCO ENERGY LLC GARCO ENERGY LLC Wyoming DOUGLAS 3,600
139 SILVER EAGLE REFINING INC Silver Eagle Refining Wyoming EVANSTON 3,000
140 OIL HOLDING INC TENBY INC California OXNARD 2,800
141 FORELAND REFINING CORP FORELAND REFINING CORP Nevada ELY 2,000

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That person doesn't know what they're talking about.
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allowed exports but not imports
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And since we don't manufacture for shit
The US manufactures more than China and Japan combined.
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I've wondered if the Feds would gain/save much if they sold off the entire interstate system to private companies to convert into toll roads. I'd also expect that to trim down America's oil demand and greenhouse crap.
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Guys, I have a great idea. What if we continue to import goods, but&mdash;and this is the kicker&mdash;<em>we trick other countries and don't pay for them</em>. That way we can continue to export goods and make money, and import goods for <em>free</em>. In the unlikely even that you find a flaw in this idea, please reply.
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I too think America should return to the economic thought of the 17th century! You should be competing with India in no time!
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1. Allow only exports, no imports
2. Steal underpants from hot foreign dignitary babes
3. ???????
4. Profit

4A. Use profits to buy Cadillacs, and cruise for hot babes of any nationality.
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1. Allow only exports, no imports
2. Steal underpants from hot foreign dignitary babes
3. ???????
4. PROFIT!!!!1!11!1

4A. Use profits to buy Cadillacs, and cruise for hot babes of any nationality.
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