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MEXICO CITY — President Barack Obama on Thursday denied that rising drug violence made Mexico look increasingly like Colombia at the height of its drugs war, rebuffing comments made by his Secretary of State.

"Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growing economy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago," Obama told Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper La Opinion.

Obama's comments were printed in Spanish and no English transcript was available from the White House.


The U.S. leader's remarks appeared a day after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said cartels operating in Mexico and Central America were starting to look like an "insurgency ," a comment that reflected Washington's growing concerns.

Mexico is "looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago, where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country," Clinton told a foreign policy think-tank in Washington.

Colombia has spent decades battling leftist rebels financed by a lucrative cocaine trade. At the height of Colombian violence in the 1980s and 1990s, the South American country was gripped by attacks on political figures and civilians.

While violence has waned in Colombia, Mexican cartels have grown in power in recent years as they took over much of the drug trade from Colombians, analysts and officials say.
Story: Clinton sees drug 'insurgency' in Mexico

More than 28,000 people have been killed since President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006, but the Mexican government says a spike in violence reflected cartels' vulnerability.

Homicides in the northern state of Nuevo Leon, home to Mexico's most violent drug war city, Ciudad Juarez, dropped to 44 in August from 107 in July due to government security operations, senior Mexican official Alejandro Poire told a news conference on Thursday.




I was listening to the Clinton speech yesterday on POTUS on XM. I am guessing she is not so happy with Obama rebuffing what she just said the day before.
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When I think of Mexico, the words "Progressive Democracy" do not come to mind.
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Note to Obama: We don't have to appease Mexico. You can speak the truth about them without worrying if you piss them off.
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Diss on Hillary.
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Hillary is starting to get out of line. Is she thinking of running in 2012?
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Note to Obama: We don't have to appease Mexico. You can speak the truth about them without worrying if you piss them off.
Well, thing is, it's not the truth.
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Homicides in the northern state of Nuevo Leon, home to Mexico's most violent drug war city, Ciudad Juarez, dropped to 44 in August from 107 in July due to government security operations, senior Mexican official Alejandro Poire told a news conference on Thursday.
Uh, Ciudad Juarez in in Chihuahua state, not Nuevo leon. WTF MSNBC
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Weird story. Clinton is right, Obama is in la-la land, and why would SOS and Prez have such differing views? Great teamwork
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Uh, Ciudad Juarez in in Chihuahua state, not Nuevo leon. WTF MSNBC
Ciudad Juarez was in Chihuahua state, but it snuck over the border into Nuevo Leon. Force of habit.
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"These kind of comments like the ones made by Secretary of State Clinton … damage Mexico's image terribly," Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision. "I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption."


Yes Clinton is damaging Mexico's image not 25 people being killed in 24 hours.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,550838.story
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Ciudad Juarez was in Chihuahua state, but it snuck over the border into Nuevo Leon. Force of habit.
Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon are not bordering states
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Yes Clinton is damaging Mexico's image not 25 people being killed in 24 hours.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0,550838.story
As long as the drug gangs are killing amongst themselves, I don't think anybody cares.
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Weird story. Clinton is right, Obama is in la-la land, and why would SOS and Prez have such differing views? Great teamwork
Yeah, up until now Obama had really done a good job of showing a united front with his leadership skills with his administration.

The guy is so far over his head he has no idea which way is up. All he can do is go out and campaign against obstructionist Republicans and hope the union crowds he is talking to continue to clap for the press.
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Hillary has been the most competent member of the Administration since day 1.
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Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision. "I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption."
Give me a break. How about all the suffering we alleviate of the poor people who come to the U.S. because Columbia and Mexico don't give two shits about their impoverished citizens?
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"Mexico is vast and progressive democracy, with a growing economy, and as a result you cannot compare what is happening in Mexico with what happened in Colombia 20 years ago," Obama told Los Angeles-based Spanish language newspaper La Opinion.

Mexico is "looking more and more like Colombia looked 20 years ago, where the narco-traffickers control certain parts of the country," Clinton told a foreign policy think-tank in Washington.
Both these statements are correct. Now if you put them together, you might have something somewhat intelligent that you would expect a President or Secretary of State might say.

Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision. "I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption."
Hahaha! Good one, i.e. when you make half-assed statements with regards to another country (not to mention a neighbor...) that's the sort of response you should expect to get in return.

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"These kind of comments like the ones made by Secretary of State Clinton damage Mexico's image terribly," Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision. "I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption."
The one thing rapists have in common is bitches in skimpy clothes.
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Hahaha! Good one, i.e. when you make half-assed statements with regards to another country (not to mention a neighbor...) that's the sort of response you should expect to get in return.
You do that all the time...or are you using your whole ass
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Chihuahua and Nuevo Leon are not bordering states
He must have been thinking of Ciudad EsUnaBroma
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You do that all the time...or are you using your whole ass
I tend to fart in your general direction.
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I lived for 7 years in Mexico, now live 1 mile North of it, and work Law Enforcement in a border city.

Mexico is getting exponentially worse every year and it is certainly not just the gangs that are being killed. The biggest story lately is the mass killing of 72 "illegal" migrants from Ecuador by the Zeta gang. The only reason we know about those is because they got sloppy and left one alive. I would bet 1,000's more go unreported every year. A week doesn't go by when we don't hear of reports of mass arrests of corrupt police officers (sometimes 100's at a time) and assassinations of government officials. I would guess the murder rate is at least 10 times what is being reported here. Mexico has a huge financial interest in hiding the real numbers. They leak out though, especially to us (LE).
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He must have been thinking of Ciudad EsUnaBroma
I have a bad sense of geography, which led to me making an error. Either that, or I was joking when I was talking about a whole city sneaking across a border. I can't recall which is true.
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I lived for 7 years in Mexico, now live 1 mile North of it, and work Law Enforcement in a border city.

Mexico is getting exponentially worse every year and it is certainly not just the gangs that are being killed. The biggest story lately is the mass killing of 72 "illegal" migrants from Ecuador by the Zeta gang. The only reason we know about those is because they got sloppy and left one alive. I would bet 1,000's more go unreported every year. A week doesn't go by when we don't hear of reports of mass arrests of corrupt police officers (sometimes 100's at a time) and assassinations of government officials. I would guess the murder rate is at least 10 times what is being reported here. Mexico has a huge financial interest in hiding the real numbers. They leak out though, especially to us (LE).
I understand all that. What I want to know is how can this be spun to make it all our fault? Mexico being all that a well run country should be.
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I understand all that. What I want to know is how can this be spun to make it all our fault? Mexico being all that a well run country should be.
Oh, I'm not blaming the US. Yes, we may be their main drug customers but there are many, many, many other countries that could be producing our drugs. It's not just a border proximity thing. Their government is a corrupt joke and the common people simply do not care enough to change it.

One thing I noticed from living there (and this will sound racial or prejudiced) is that Mexico as a society has the mass mind set of "If you can get away with it, do it." You see small examples of this everywhere, everyday (driving, parking, public interaction, etc.). A part of that is accepting certain things as being just the way they are (Police corruption as an example. My first year living there I was shocked when police came to the door of our house every month to collect their “propina”. It was only a couple of bucks but collected from every house in the neighborhood it added up. Everyone just took it as a matter of course. Or the fact that everyone knows if you have money you simply do not do jail time), but it also has to do with celebrating and venerating criminals who get away with it with some kind of flair (there is a whole genre of music in Mexico – corridos and narcocorridos- that tout the exploits of criminals and drug lords that is very popular among the people).

The government in Mexico is so corrupt that I’m afraid there is no fixing it. You would have to remove (and execute or banish to avoid them corrupting newcomers) every single person who has ever held a political or official position (including every cop, judge, and military officer) in order to have any positive change. Even then you would have to change the mindset of the people for it to last.

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