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how many believe JFK was not a conspiracy, but RFK was (or vice versa)?

Old 08-23-10, 10:56 AM
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how many believe JFK was not a conspiracy, but RFK was (or vice versa)?

Not to be a dead horse, as I'm sure this has been discussed ad nausiam for years now, but how many believe that John Kennedy's assassination in 1963 was not a conspiracy (carried out by one Lee Harvey Oswald and only Lee Harvey Oswald), yet the almost glossed over Robert Kennedy assassination in 1968 was actually a conspiracy (carried out not by Sirhan Sirhan).

We all know the conspiracy theories regarding JFK, but not many are informed about RFK's murder, aside from the apprehension of the dazed and forgetful guy with identical first and last names.

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Robert Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy

Around midnight on June 5th 1968, in the stylish Ambassador hotel in Los Angeles, the atmosphere was magical. Charming, charismatic and idealistic, Senator Robert F. Kennedy had just won the preliminary nomination for California Democrats in presidential elections. It seemed he had to fulfill the dream of many Americans to reach the White House, just like his brother, John F. Kennedy did before.

With applauses and congratulations from the hotel staff, supporters and public, Robert F. Kennedy was escorted through the lobby of the hotel by the security team when the dream tragically crumbled under a rain of bullets. The embodiment hope of many Americans was lying without breath on the floor. They were witnesses of the Robert Kennedy assassination.
After a brief scuffle with a short man who seemed to have had superhuman force, taking chest of several security agents, the supposed assassin Sirhan Bashira Sirhan was thrown to the floor. At the police station, Sirhan said that he does not remember anything of what happened and seemed to have all the symptoms of a man who had been hypnotized.

The investigation undertaken by the police department in Los Angeles established quickly that Sirhan was just another crazy guy – an assassin who planned alone, just like Lee Harvey Oswald. The Court has agreed, Sirhan was convicted and thrown in jail for RFK assassination. From the viewpoint of the authorities, the tragic event had ended. As for conspiracy theorists, the Robert Kennedy assassination is a case that definitely deserves more attention.

At first glance, the case of Robert Kennedy assassination seems clear: undeniably, Sirhan was arrested on the spot, with a gun in his hand. However, only this is clear. Sirhan did not have a good position, was too far away and he could not shoot RFK. The senator was shot from the back, but all the witnesses have placed Sirhan in his face, in a front position. All witnesses have placed Sirhan’s gun at a distance of about one meter of Senator Kennedy, but the autopsy has established clear that the senator was shot by a gun held to a maximum of 7 cm from his body.

If, as many believe the CIA played a role in Robert Kennedy assassination, then surely they would have a reason to be afraid if Robert became president. If RFK reached the White House, he most likely would have started to investigate the death of his brother and could prove that well-known Warren Commission was just an intelligent built facade and President John F. Kennedy had been removed in what seemed to be a military coup.

When his brother was president, Robert Kennedy occupied the post of general prosecutor and took a successful battle against the Mafia. It is possible that attempts to blackmail him with the affair with Marylin Monroe was not good and reached the conclusion that if Robert F. Kennedy comes to White House, there is no way to stop him to continue to fight more effectively against them. In this situation, the traditional solution of the Mafia is reduced to bullets and assassins.

Kennedy committed to put to an end the war in Vietnam if he became president. The huge profits brought to the military-industrial complex by the Southeast Asia war, could be a motive for its members to do everything possible so RFK does not reach the White House.

Holes left by bullets from a door case at the crime scene, documented by photos made by the FBI, clearly show more bullets than would be possible with the weapon that Sirhan shot Kennedy. Police have never disclosed the provenience of the bullet holes. The door case was later destroyed by order of the court, immediately after the conclusion of Sirhan’s trial.

According to the psychological evaluation presented in court, during the assassination moments Sirhan was clearly under hypnosis.

Probably the most difficult conspiracy theory to be skeptical of is when it comes to the RFK assassination, but it would be dangerous to underestimate what a madman can do when he has access to a gun. Especially when an ashamed security system offers the same armed madman the perfect opportunity to shoot a celebrity.
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[grundle]Obama did it. Both of 'em.[/grundle]
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I find it hard to believe that either were not planned by some third party other than the shooters.
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I heard a story recently where George H.W. Bush was the mastermind behind the JFK murder. JFK found out that Bush and others in the C.I.A. were concealing UFO's and were handing out drugs to the American cities in droves, so Kennedy threatened them to stop with the drugs, or he'd expose the UFO's. Natch, they had him killed. What the Zapruder film doesn't show, because it was messed with, is the limo driver himself turned around and shot Kennedy.
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I heard a story recently where George H.W. Bush was the mastermind behind the JFK murder. JFK found out that Bush and others in the C.I.A. were concealing UFO's and were handing out drugs to the American cities in droves, so Kennedy threatened them to stop with the drugs, or he'd expose the UFO's. Natch, they had him killed. What the Zapruder film doesn't show, because it was messed with, is the limo driver himself turned around and shot Kennedy.
My attempt to have the most ridiculous post in this thread didn't last 1/2 hour.
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I don't believe RFK's murder was a conspiracy.

I do believe JFK's murder was. I think the House Committee had it about right.
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I heard a story recently where George H.W. Bush was the mastermind behind the JFK murder. JFK found out that Bush and others in the C.I.A. were concealing UFO's and were handing out drugs to the American cities in droves, so Kennedy threatened them to stop with the drugs, or he'd expose the UFO's. Natch, they had him killed. What the Zapruder film doesn't show, because it was messed with, is the limo driver himself turned around and shot Kennedy.
And all that stuff about it being in Dallas was fake....it was really all done on a Hollywood sound stage.
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Sorry to break it to you guys but this Presidents thing is a sham. You're still all ruled from England.
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"Kennedy Slain By CIA, Mafia, LBJ, Teamsters, Freemasons"

President Shot 129 Times from 43 Different Angles

DALLAS, TEX.--

President Kennedy was assassinated Friday by operatives of the CIA, the Giancana crime syndicate, Fidel Castro, Vice President Johnson, the Freemasons and the Teamsters as he rode through downtown Dallas in a motorcade.

According to eyewitnesses, Kennedy's limousine had just entered Dealey Plaza when the president was struck 129 times in the head, chest, abdomen, arms, legs, hands, feet, back and face by gunfire. The shooting began at 12:30 p.m. and lasted until 12:43 p.m. CST.

In all, 43 suspects have been taken into the custody of the Dallas police.

Preliminary reports indicate that hitmen for the Giancana crime syndicate fired from a nearby grassy knoll, CIA agents fired from an office building slightly off the parade route, Cuban nationals fired from an overpass overlooking Dealey Plaza, an elite hit squad working for Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa fired from perches atop an oak tree, a 'lone nut' fired from the Texas Book depository, a shadow-government sharp-shooting team fired from behind a wooden fence, a consortium of jealous husbands fired from an estimated 13 sites on the sidewalk along the route, a hitman working for Johnson fired from a sewer grate over which the limousine passed, and Texas Gov. John Connally lunged at the president from within the limousine itself, slitting the president's throat with a combat knife.

The mortally wounded president was sped to nearby Parland Hospital, where doctors with ties to Johnson's inner circle performed a staged autopsy. They pronounced him dead at 2:18 p.m. CST.

The body was then chemically treated by J. Edgar Hoover and put in a decoy casket for transport to Roswell, New Mexico. There, space aliens using medical technology beyond the knowledge of man sealed Kennedy's 129 wounds. Kennedy's corpse was then reanimated and rushed to Germany for an emergency meeting with the frozen brain of Adolf Hitler.

After the meeting, Kennedy aides announced plans for the two leaders' sperm cells to be atomically sustained, planted in the womb of aspiring actress Judith Campbell, and grown into a super-race of 21st-century conquerors.

According to investigators, the assassination appears to have been carefully planned and carried out in strict accordance with both the Skull-and-Bones Blood Rite and Masonic "Killing of the King" rituals.

Officers found several hundred weapons within a four-block radius of the shooting site, including telescope-sighted Weatherby Magnum rifles, Italian bolt-action 6.5mm carbines, Thompson submachine guns, Russian Kalishnikov assault rifles, and one ray-gun.

The assembled killers were taken into police custody at Dallas City Hall. As they were being transferred to the county prison however, all 43 were shot and killed by Jack Ruby, 52, a Dallas-area nightclub owner.
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Sorry to break it to you guys but this Presidents thing is a sham. You're still all ruled from England.
By a royal family that's German!
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"Johnson vows to honor Kennedy's memory by taking plump young mistress."

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By a royal family that's German!
Who then had Diana killed, as shown in this authentic historical reconstruction.

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I do put JFK and RFK up on pedistals, but if it came out that they - specifically RFK - murdered Marilyn Monroe, I think I would throw away all things Kennedy, and would stop giving a sh!t that they were killed.

As it is, even Castro believed Jackie Kennedy when, years after the assassinations, she told him that "the boys" weren't the ones after him. He replied, "I know." Which means that even Castro didn't think the Kennedy boys malicious, but that their Government was. But who the hell really knows anything about anything?!
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Why anyone would put a weasel like RFK on a pedestal is beyond me.
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Why anyone would put a weasel like RFK on a pedestal is beyond me.
He came off as the 2nd coming of Christ during that '68 election. He came off as a champion for the disenfranchised (South Africa, Bed-Sty); he came off as brave and unselfish (when Martin Luther King was killed, he fearlessly went into the Indianapolis ghetto to inform the blacks that King was killed, despite the risk to his own well-being); he came off as 'good' versus the evil of the world (both before and after the JFK Presidency).

I always had the impression that RFK was a hero because he wasn't black, yet did what he could for them. Martin Luther King had the incentive of helping the black cause (civil rights), as well as his own people, because he himself was black. RFK was white, and didn't have to lift a finger to help unless he wanted to help. I believe he died in that effort, while he could have lived a plush life due to his father's wealth. Of course, he wasn't killed by white supremists (although, in light of the conspiracy community beliefs, he might have been) but by someone who didn't want Kennedy to be President because Kennedy supported Israel.

In regards to Martin Luther King's assassination, even MLK's kids don't believe the accused assassin is guilty anymore. Most people believe that James Earl Ray was framed or, as it were, "just a patsy."
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Poor old J. Edgar gets the all the blame for the surveillance (and other things) of MLK.

Guess who authorized that?
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Poor old J. Edgar gets the all the blame for the surveillance (and other things) of MLK.

Guess who authorized that?
After reading this thread, it was probably either George H.W. Bush, space aliens, or John Wilkes Booth.
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Poor old J. Edgar gets the all the blame for the surveillance (and other things) of MLK.

Guess who authorized that?
I know that RFK authorized wiretaps on King's phones, but he did not authorize bugs in the rooms. And why? Because an associate of King's was accused of being a Communist. It was the times, and communism was still a big thing in the 1960s. Kennedy approved the wiretaps on the phones in order to hear King talking to the accused communist. Kennedy did not approve room bugs because the intent was not to track King himself, but they knew the accused communist spoke with King a lot on the phone.

Kennedy was the Attorney General of the United States. He was doing his job. That kind of job isn't all peaches and cream. It's a dirty job, and the security of the United States is a dirty business. And it wasn't as if Bobby jumped at the chance - he turned Hoover and Co down quite a few times before finding himself without a choice in the matter. Naturally, if Bobby's brother, the President, wasn't such a "bad boy" with the ladies, and careless about it, Bobby might have had a stronger position to protest Hoover's "subtile" requests to tap King.

Do I come across as naive? I'm sure I do. But I wasn't there. I can only go based on stuff I read about. RFK didn't love MLK, that's the truth, but he was only doing his job in the end.
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And even in this day and age, you have conflicting opinions by authors who believe they know all the facts, and for us to stop imagining things.

You have former presecutor Vincent Bugliosi who wrote a very big book called Reclaiming History: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, and he says to stop imagining conspiracy theories because the facts are right here!

You have David Talbot who wrote a book called Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, and he says to stop imagining one guy shooting JFK.

Both are reputable writers/people. Both believe in their work. But both have the opposite thing to say. The best a person can do is read both sides, and form an educated opinion, but don't believe it.
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Why anyone would put a weasel like RFK on a pedestal is beyond me.
A guess a fair question would be: why wouldn't anyone put RFK on a pedestal?
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I liked his hair.
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Poor old J. Edgar gets the all the blame for the surveillance (and other things) of MLK.

Guess who authorized that?
Wayne Tedrow, Sr. and Howard Hughes.
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I believe that RFK was the brains behind the JFK assassination. I also belive -- and here's the part that will blow your mind -- JFK was the brains behind the RFK assassination.
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RFK authorized all the surveilance on MLK.

The reason - Hoover had the 'goods' on JFK; and, maybe even more important, he had the 'goods' of RFK.
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