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Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Old 08-20-10, 08:54 AM
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Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

I know that there were a lot of factors involved - from Martin Luther King and his peaceful protests, to Congress signing the Civil Rights Act.

I realize that something like this is a snowball effect, a Cumulative effort by many to get something done, but if you had to single somebody out for credit on this, who would you single out?

In 1962, there were still water fountains that said "Whites Only," and I think things like that were finished by 1965?
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Who do you want to get he credit?
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It was a team effort. I couldn't single out one person, but if someone else were to argue that MLK or LBJ was the single person most responsible I wouldn't put up an argument.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

I would argue that the fact that MLK was able to become the face of the movement, and that he advocated non-violence, was almost unimagineably important.

Certainly, blacks had a list of legitimate greivances about as long as any people could have. Imagine what the US would be like today if the most prominent black spokesman of the era had advocated terrorism and suicide bombings.

He was a giant.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Well - you can't give Bobby the credit.

If anyone gets the credit (I don't think a single person or even a particular group of persons) I agree with wendersfan - MLK or LBJ.

Without LBJ in the WH, the Public Accomodations Act of 1964 & the Voting Rights Act of 1965 would not have occurred - most likely. LBJ knew of the skeletons in the closets that some southern Democrats had. He used that knowledge to twist the hell out of some arms.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

This being DVDTalk, I'm going to assume that by page 2, there will be a vociferous argument being made that the answer is some combination of "the GOP" and "the free market."
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And I believe Malcolm X deserves a signficant amount of the credit for civil rights.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

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This being DVDTalk, I'm going to assume that by page 2, there will be a vociferous argument being made that the answer is some combination of "the GOP" and "the free market."
Silly JasonF, God is the endower of rights.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

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the answer is some combination of "the GOP" and "the free market."
I agree with JasonF.
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JasonF thinks Obama deserves the most credit.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
JasonF thinks Obama deserves the most credit.
Actually, it's Obama supporters that deserve the credit since he wouldn't be President without them. So I was going to name JasonF himself.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Alan Hale Jr.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

The KKK. By showing America how dumb racists are, they paved the way for all the civil rights to come.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
This being DVDTalk, I'm going to assume that by page 2, there will be a vociferous argument being made that the answer is some combination of "the GOP" and "the free market."
You don't think the GOP deserves credit for getting the ball rolling in 1862?
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara View Post
You don't think the GOP deserves credit for getting the ball rolling in 1862?
GOP was more interested in "preserving the union" or some crap, not in civil rights.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

I give credit to Gene Roddenberry and Gene Coon. Their extremely subtle treatment of race relations and equality in Let That Be Your Last Battlefield steered us all straight.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara View Post
You don't think the GOP deserves credit for getting the ball rolling in 1862?
If you're going to go back that far, you might as well credit Eli Whitney.
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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara View Post
You don't think the GOP deserves credit for getting the ball rolling in 1862?
If not for the GOP the civil rights act of 1964 & the voting rights act of 1965 wouldn't have been passed.

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Coon.
Unbelievable. You get credit for setting us back 50 years!
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Unbelievable. You get credit for setting us back 50 years!
Yeah - the name adds to the irony.
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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
If not the the GOP the civil rights act of 1964 & the voting rights act of 1965 wouldn't have been passed.
1964:

By party

The original House version:[10]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%–39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[11]

* Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version:[10]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[10]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%–20%)
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Who gets it and who deserves it are usually 2 different answers.


^Venusian, man the thought of Democrats holding 67 seats in the Senate scares the hell out of me.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
If you're going to go back that far, you might as well credit Eli Whitney.
How do you figure that? The cotton gin is usually credited with the expansion of slavery in the early 19th Century.
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Re: Who truly gets the "credit" for CIVIL RIGHTS?

Yeah it's not like the Boll Weevil Democrats of the Civil Rights era didn't end up becoming Nixon/Reagan Republicans.
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy View Post
Yeah it's not like the Boll Weevil Democrats of the Civil Rights era didn't end up becoming Nixon/Reagan Republicans.
Ok we have to give the Democrats the credit because all those Democrats who voted against it were really Republicans they just didnt know it yet.....
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