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Old 08-13-10, 09:36 AM
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Manhattan Luxury Condos Try FHA Backing in Sales `Game Changer'

By Oshrat Carmiel - Aug 13, 2010

Whitney Gollinger, marketing chief for a Manhattan condo building with an outdoor movie theater and panoramic city views, is highlighting a different amenity to spur sales: the financial backing of the federal government.

The Federal Housing Administration agreed in March to insure mortgages for apartments at the 98-unit Gramercy Park development, known as Tempo. That enables buyers to make a down payment of as little as 3.5 percent in a building where apartments range from $820,000 to $3 million.

“It’s a government seal of approval,” said Gollinger, a director at the Developments Group of New York-based brokerage Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate.
“We need as many sales tools as we can have these days, and it’s one more tool.”

The FHA, created in 1934 to make homeownership attainable for low- to moderate-income Americans, is providing a lifeline to new Manhattan luxury condominiums after sales stalled. Buildings featuring pet spas, concierges and rooftop lounges are applying for agency backing to unlock bank financing for purchasers. The FHA guarantees that if a homebuyer defaults on his mortgage, the agency will pay it.

At least nine Manhattan condo developments south of 96th Street have sought approval for FHA backing since the agency loosened its financing rules in December, according to a database of applications kept by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The change allows the FHA to insure loans in new projects where only 30 percent of units are in contract, down from at least 50 percent. About 1,900 apartments in New York’s most expensive neighborhoods would be covered by the applications.

Filling a Void

The agency also offers insurance to half of all mortgages in a single building after previously setting a limit at 30 percent, according to the new standards, which expire in December. The entire property must be approved for a buyer to get backing. Most of those that applied in Manhattan are buildings converted to condos or built since 2007.

The FHA is filling a void left after mortgage-finance agency Fannie Mae tightened its condo lending standards last year. The Washington-based company won’t back loans made in new buildings where fewer than 51 percent of the units are in contract, sometimes setting a requirement as high as 70 percent.

That in turn makes mortgage lenders hesitant to make loans at developments under those thresholds, said Orest Tomaselli, chief executive officer of White Plains, New York-based National Condo Advisors LLC, which advises condominiums on how to adhere to Fannie Mae and FHA standards.

‘Not an Accident’

“It’s not an accident that the FHA is offering this -- not private lenders,” said Christopher Mayer, senior vice dean at Columbia Business School’s Paul Milstein Center for Real Estate in New York. “An unfilled condominium complex is not the kind of thing that a bank looking to rebuild its balance sheet on real estate is looking to do.”

In New York City, the priciest urban U.S. housing market, the FHA insures loans of as much as $729,750, and permits buyers to borrow up to 96.5 percent of the price.

No buildings in Manhattan applied for FHA recognition between 1998 and 2008 -- though in those years the program didn’t require an entire property be approved and condo buyers could seek FHA-insured loans on their own, Tomaselli said.

New development in Manhattan represented 23 percent of the sales market in the second quarter, compared with 35 percent two years earlier, according to New York appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. About 8,700 new apartments in the borough were empty as of June, partly because of a lack of available financing for buyers, said Jonathan Miller, president of the firm.

‘Ironic’ Move

“Something has to happen for this product to be marketable,” Miller said. “I just find the whole thing ironic that FHA is providing financing for luxury housing.”

The FHA loosened the condo rules because of “market conditions,” according to Lemar Wooley, an agency spokesman.

“We are certainly cognizant of falling sales prices, limited availability of liquidity, etc., so we wanted to be flexible,” Wooley wrote in an e-mail. “The risk was considered before issuance of the temporary guidance.”

The new rules are a “game changer,” said Ryan Serhant, vice president at Nest Seekers International, a brokerage with offices in New York and Florida. He’s marketing 99 John Deco Lofts, a 442-unit conversion project in downtown Manhattan that features a “zen” flower garden and Brooklyn Bridge views.

The development, where sales began more than two years ago, had 10 units go into contract with FHA backing since approval in March. The FHA suspended its support for the building Aug. 3, according to the agency website. The property is working to have it reinstated, Serhant said.

Eager for Approval

Angela Ferrara, who markets the Sheffield condos on West 57th Street, checks every day whether the 597-unit property, which applied to the FHA in May, has won approval. Ferrara, vice president of sales for New York-based the Marketing Directors Inc., says she is eager to start touting the FHA backing to potential buyers. That’s a reversal from the past, when government loan programs weren’t necessary -- or advertised.

“People would get the wrong idea, and think it was a different type of government-subsidized product,” Ferrara said. “It was almost regarded as a negative, particularly in the luxury properties.”

Now, she said, “It’s actually became a widely accepted marketing tool.”

The Sheffield promotes amenities such as concierge service, a pet spa and massage rooms, according to the project’s website. A neighborhood guide on the site lists chef Thomas Keller’s four-star restaurant Per Se as a nearby attraction, along with Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall and Tiffany & Co.’s flagship Fifth Avenue store.

‘Great Solution’

The Sheffield’s owner, New York-based Fortress Investment Group LLC, took over the condo conversion project in foreclosure last August after the original developer, Kent Swig, defaulted on a loan. With 56 percent of the converted units sold or in contract, the building has about 230 units left to sell, Ferrara estimates.

FHA is “definitely is a great solution right now,” said Tomaselli of National Condo Advisors, which prepared the FHA applications for Tempo and Sheffield.

“The savvy developers did it first,” Tomaselli said. “But everybody else is catching up.”

In the borough of Brooklyn, FHA support accounted for half of the 29 units sold at the 111 Monroe condos in Clinton Hill and a quarter of apartments in Williamsburg’s NV building, which is sold out after two years on the market, said David Behin, executive vice president at the Developers Group, a New York brokerage for new buildings.

Limits to Success

The FHA’s effectiveness will be limited in Manhattan because apartment prices are higher than in Brooklyn and the insured loan is capped at $729,750, Behin said. The median price of a Manhattan apartment in a new development was $1.4 million in the second quarter, according to Miller Samuel and Prudential Douglas Elliman.

“With apartments over $1 million, FHA isn’t going to help you,” Behin said. “You’d have to put down 30 percent to get the loan of $729,000. And if you have 30 percent to put down, a bank will loan to you without FHA.”

Borrowers backed by FHA are essentially buying mortgage insurance, said Debra Shultz, managing director at Manhattan Mortgage Company Inc. in New York. Buyers pay an upfront premium of 2.25 percent of their loan value, and a monthly fee equal to about 0.5 percent of the loan amount for at least five years, she said.

Nationwide, the FHA insured 21 percent of all mortgages made in the second quarter, or $71.4 billion worth of loans, according to Geremy Bass, publisher of the Inside FHA Lending newsletter. That’s close to the $79.5 billion total value of all FHA-backed loans in 2007.

Rising Defaults

Nine percent of all FHA-insured loans were 90 days or more past due or in the process of foreclosure in the first quarter, compared with 7.4 percent a year earlier, data from the Washington-based Mortgage Bankers Association show.

The agency doesn’t require a minimum credit score for the mortgage insurance, though many lenders who fund the loans insist on a rating of at least 580, said Shultz.

The FHA is considering a minimum required score of 500, according to a notice the agency filed in the Federal Register on July 15. A person with a 500 rating is in the lowest one percentile of credit scores nationally and was likely delinquent on several accounts in the last year, said John Ulzheimer, president of consumer education for Credit.com, a consumer and credit education company based in San Francisco.

Taking on Risk

“The government is taking on more risk,” said Guy Cecala, publisher of Inside Mortgage Finance. “That’s the bottom line. They really can’t say no, because that’s their purpose. It’s to support the housing market when there’s no other funding.”

Until they heard about FHA, Asha Willis and her boyfriend, Cesar Rivera, didn’t think they would buy a place for at least five years -- enough time to save a 20 percent down payment, she said. The couple reasoned that they earned enough to make monthly mortgage payments, and began an apartment search in February, limiting their hunt to buildings with agency backing.

Willis, an attending physician at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn; and Rivera, a sales associate at Chelsea Piers in Manhattan, toured several glass and steel high rises and decided on a one-bedroom at Toll Brothers Inc.’s Two Northside Piers in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. It didn’t have FHA approval at the time, but developers promised it was on its way, Willis said.

Contract Contingency

“Our contract had a contingency that if they weren’t FHA approved we could get out of the contract,” said Willis, currently a renter at Manhattan’s Stuyvesant Town.

Prices at the building range from the “high $300,000s” to more than $2 million, according to Adam Gottlieb, project manager for Northside Piers. The property, which began sales in October 2008, received FHA approval in June.

Shultz, whose Manhattan Mortgage has sourced FHA loans for buyers in Brooklyn, the borough of Queens and on New York’s Long Island, said the last month brought a sudden surge of calls from would-be buyers seeking FHA insurance for Manhattan purchases.

“It’s definitely breaking through to the Manhattan market,” she said.

At Tempo, which is still under construction, developers are hoping that FHA approval will appeal to buyers of lower-priced units and inch the number of contracts signed to the 51 percent that conventional mortgage lenders require, Gollinger said. About 15 percent of the 98 units are under contract.

The developers plan to tout FHA support in e-mails and other promotions in a sales push next month as the building nears completion, Gollinger said.

“I never even dealt with this,” she said. “All of a sudden it became an absolute must.”
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Re: Obama wants to guarantee you a $3 million mortgage for only 3.5% down.

Adjusting for standard of living, I heard that a $3 million mortgage in New York is the equivalent of a trailer in Alabama. Granted, it's a nice trailer. But give the New Yorkers a break. They are entitled to much more than someone in Alabama.
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I think you would get an argument from the people of Alabama on that assumption.
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Only if they could figure out the internet.

I was being sarcastic. A little.
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Your thread title says 'Obama wants...' but nowhere in the article is the president mentioned.
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Maybe that's why his attempted addition of this story to the Barack Obama Wikipedia page was challenged.
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Obama is the boss of those agencies.

I suppose that's where he gets the 'Obama wants.'

I believe it's somewhat of a stretch - but, that's just me.
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Maybe that's why his attempted addition of this story to the Barack Obama Wikipedia page was challenged.
No, really?
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...and here I was hoping Obama had stepped down from his current position to take a new one at Bank of America.
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If grundle thinks Obama can control the bureaucracy than he needs to revisit college National Government.
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...and here I was hoping Obama had stepped down from his current position to take a new one at Bank of America.
Oh, come on. Obama's so talented he can do both. And coach Notre Dame this fall.
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Your thread title says 'Obama wants...' but nowhere in the article is the president mentioned.
And this doesn't surprise you in the least.
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Your thread title says 'Obama wants...' but nowhere in the article is the president mentioned.

He's the leader of the federal government.
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Maybe that's why his attempted addition of this story to the Barack Obama Wikipedia page was challenged.

Nice try, and a good guess.

But no, I didn't add it.
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He's the leader of the federal government.
So, if Congress starts impeachment proceedings, would you feel it's accurate to start a thread saying, 'Obama wants to be thrown out of office'? After all, Congress is part of the federal government.
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And so the impeachment talk begins...
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If grundle thinks Obama can control the bureaucracy than he needs to revisit college National Government.
In fairness, Obama seemed to portray that he could control the bureaucracy before grundle assumed it.
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In fairness, Obama seemed to portray that he could control the bureaucracy before grundle assumed it.
I entirely agree: in fact, every presidential candidate in (at least) the last 30 years has campaigned based on the idea that they were either going to control the bureaucracy or reform it. The degree of their failure at these prospects hardly varies.

Which brings me to a point that bothers my students when I try to teach it: the office of the president has been built up to a point in our federal system that presidential rhetoric can never match presidential output. Similarly, an expectations gap exists for what individuals think a president can/or should do, and what they are actually capable of doing.

The gap has been constructed not solely on the back of presidents, who need to make these promises to get elected (campaigning on "There is little I can do to control the federal bureaucracy minus making appointments, but I will try," is not the smartest way to win an election), but on the backs of members of congress as well. It has become more likely for congressional candidates not only to "run against Congress," but to "hold the president accountable," for his non action.

Simply, we expect far too much of our presidents (read: all, I am not making a partisan argument). Look at the Constitution, his powers are few, and granted, in the past 100 years congress has delegated a lot of power to the executive, and much of it has gone to an expanding bureaucracy which is out of much of any president's control.

Who is culpable? All of us for expecting that one individual can simultaneously be the head of government, the head of state, the commander in chief, and the chief executive officer.
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Everything is Obama's fault!



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it's not like the FHA is just going to give money out. Just like with Fannie Mae they will have to certify the building and any building that wants government money will have abide by a long list of rules.

i just bought a new co-op in NYC a few months back and it took almost 2 months for the mortgage to close with most of that time the bank asking the building management for all kinds of information. and if i would have closed a day or two later the mortgage wouldn't have been funded and the building would have to provide it again.

they want the building financials, budget, insurance information, renter information, etc. someone i know was denied a condo loan recently because the building didn't meet fannie mae requirements. too many renters i think

not sure about FHA, but a lot of buildings in NYC won't let you buy in if you're going to get a VA loan. i forgot the exact reason
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I entirely agree: in fact, every presidential candidate in (at least) the last 30 years has campaigned based on the idea that they were either going to control the bureaucracy or reform it. The degree of their failure at these prospects hardly varies.

Which brings me to a point that bothers my students when I try to teach it: the office of the president has been built up to a point in our federal system that presidential rhetoric can never match presidential output. Similarly, an expectations gap exists for what individuals think a president can/or should do, and what they are actually capable of doing.

The gap has been constructed not solely on the back of presidents, who need to make these promises to get elected (campaigning on "There is little I can do to control the federal bureaucracy minus making appointments, but I will try," is not the smartest way to win an election), but on the backs of members of congress as well. It has become more likely for congressional candidates not only to "run against Congress," but to "hold the president accountable," for his non action.

Simply, we expect far too much of our presidents (read: all, I am not making a partisan argument). Look at the Constitution, his powers are few, and granted, in the past 100 years congress has delegated a lot of power to the executive, and much of it has gone to an expanding bureaucracy which is out of much of any president's control.

Who is culpable? All of us for expecting that one individual can simultaneously be the head of government, the head of state, the commander in chief, and the chief executive officer.
You don't know anything about politics or government. Sheesh.
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You don't know anything about politics or government. Sheesh.
I know....Want to write my APSA paper?
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I doubt that.
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Oh, come on. Obama's so talented he can do both. And coach Notre Dame this fall.
I know all you Ohio State fans wish misery on all other football programs, but this is over the line. Hasn't Notre Dame suffered enough?

I can see it now... with Obama leading the Fighting Irish to a 28-3 loss over Michigan he quickly blamed Charlie Weis and his "disastrous" strength and conditioning program for the loss. Obama then defended his repeated references to Weis' coaching, saying they were necessary to remind Notre Dame fans of the weak team he inherited.

Oh the Humanity ...
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