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Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Old 08-09-10, 08:04 PM
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Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Seems like it is thrown around so much now that it just doesn't mean anything. I remember when it was a huge deal to even be called a racist. But now it is like being called a Nazi or a fascist. It just doesn't mean anything to me. When I hear the race card played now, I damn near tune out the person making the charge and assume their complaint is bullshit and they are grasping at whatever they can to try to make a lost case. Obviously people that don't like Obama's policies are racist, and there are "racial elements" in Hurricane Katrina, and now obviously the Democrat run ethics committee is racist, etc.

It means nothing anymore. Which is a shame for those that have true racial complaints because people like me (racists, no doubt) will simply tune it out.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

All I know is, if you're against illegal immigration, you're racist. Doesn't matter what race you are.

As a side note, I'm also for putting violent criminals in jail. I guess because something like 90% of violent criminals are male, I'm also sexist. Wait, is that the right word?

But overall, I agree with you, kvrdave, the word has lost its impact because it's thrown around so much, as if declaring racism is all you need to win or end an argument.

Now where's the gif of the kid?
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Originally Posted by fujishig View Post
Now where's the gif of the kid?
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Old 08-09-10, 08:33 PM
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

I remember the day the word "racism" lost its impact for me very clearly. It was October 3, 1995. I was in my US History class during freshman year of High School. That wasn't an ordinary day, however, because it was the day the verdict of the OJ Simpson murder case was to be read.

While we were waiting to hear the verdict, the black student sitting next to me said "They better say he is innocent." and I turned to him and asked "Why? There's so much evidence." He replied, "The cops are racist."
I said "The DNA evidence is like 200 million to one (or whatever it was)"
He said "If you believe it then you are a racist, too."

It's just been downhill since then.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Since most people use it incorrectly (as a replacement for "bigot"), it has long since lost any meaning to me.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

It lost its meaning when people started using the term any time something happened they didn't like. I can't tell you how many times I've been called a racist at work for handing out regular discipline as prescribed in our company procedures. It's become just another way to not take responsibility for things.

And it is a shame because there are real racists out there, but now their actions aren't getting the attention they should because the term is thrown around so freely.

I cannot wait for the day that racism can apply to white people as well, because I'd love to get out things just by saying the other person was racist.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

When racism meant something, when one group of people could prevent another group from voting, getting jobs, owning property, going to school, from being served in a bar or restaurant, etc, much less when they enslaved them and/or killed them and the like. That was racism. There's not much of it in the US today, if it shows up, the person discriminated against has legal recourse.

Racism isn't some subtle thought in the mind, or the use of a word, though that can be an aspect of it. Racism is a real, tangible thing in action.

Now, political correctness tries to make it some vague crime of the mind. Hence it's a nebulous concept bandied about any which way the wind blows, many times by self-impressed lightweights. It's become relatively meaningless. It becomes an accusation about an unfair world, and the natural tendencies of mankind in many ways.

You have people who say they got a job because of racism, they didn't get a job because of racism, they should get a job because of racism, they shouldn't get a job because of racism. That's the ridiculous state we are at today. Like that pathetic firemen test case. "Us blacks are inherently stupid and unable to be educated, therefore we should get a job in stead of better qualified applicants." Who exactly is the racist there?
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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I cannot wait for the day that racism can apply to white people as well, because I'd love to get out things just by saying the other person was racist.

Bigot!!
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I can remember when blacks had separate toilets & water fountains. They also were not permitted to eat up front in restaurants. Some cafes had a place in the back where they could eat. My mother's did.

Some might call that racism.
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Yes.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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Now where's the gif of the kid?
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Kind of a different topic, but the picture above got me thinking.

Are there any younger race advocates that will take over when Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al pass on?

It seems like those two are front and center on just about every race related incident, but nobody else ever pipes up. I've heard the argument that those two are partly responsible for keeping racism alive because if there wasn't racism they'd pretty much be out of a job. I'm sure that's not true, but I do agree that they do more harm than good many times and create division between races just by jumping on the racism bandwagon so often.

Anyway, they're not going to live forever so are there any younger people like them that will take over eventually?
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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Kind of a different topic, but the picture above got me thinking.

Are there any younger race advocates that will take over when Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al pass on?

It seems like those two are front and center on just about every race related incident, but nobody else ever pipes up. I've heard the argument that those two are partly responsible for keeping racism alive because if there wasn't racism they'd pretty much be out of a job. I'm sure that's not true, but I do agree that they do more harm than good many times and create division between races just by jumping on the racism bandwagon so often.

Anyway, they're not going to live forever so are there any younger people like them that will take over eventually?
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Austin Powers is a race advocate?
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

The fairytale isn't exactly analogous, as people who cry "wolf" today do it for political power instead of laughs, but the lesson is pretty much still appropriate:

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There was once a shepherd-boy who kept his flock at a little distance from the village. Once he thought he would play a trick on the villagers and have some fun at their expense. So he ran toward the village crying out, with all his might,--

"Wolf! Wolf! Come and help! The wolves are at my lambs!"

The kind villagers left their work and ran to the field to help him. But when they got there the boy laughed at them for their pains; there was no wolf there.

Still another day the boy tried the same trick, and the villagers came running to help and got laughed at again. Then one day a wolf did break into the fold and began killing the lambs. In great fright, the boy ran for help. "Wolf! Wolf!" he screamed. "There is a wolf in the flock! Help!"

The villagers heard him, but they thought it was another mean trick; no one paid the least attention, or went near him. And the shepherd-boy lost all his sheep.

That is the kind of thing that happens to people who lie: even when they tell the truth no one believes them.

from Stories to Tell to Children by Sara Cone Bryant
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

I do believe you could have mentioned "crying wolf" without posting the complete story.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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I do believe you could have mentioned "crying wolf" without posting the complete story.
Well, I'm just accepting my transition into a grumpy old coot who assumes that the kids today don't have proper book-learnin'.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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Well, I'm just accepting my transition into a grumpy old coot who assumes that the kids today don't have proper book-learnin'.
More likely you just figure non-whites are too stupid to understand the concept of crying wolf without an explanation.
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Well played.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

yes due to race baiters like sharpton over using it and using it when there isn't actual racism occurring
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Seems like it is thrown around so much now that it just doesn't mean anything. I remember when it was a huge deal to even be called a racist. But now it is like being called a Nazi or a fascist. It just doesn't mean anything to me. When I hear the race card played now, I damn near tune out the person making the charge and assume their complaint is bullshit and they are grasping at whatever they can to try to make a lost case. Obviously people that don't like Obama's policies are racist, and there are "racial elements" in Hurricane Katrina, and now obviously the Democrat run ethics committee is racist, etc.

It means nothing anymore. Which is a shame for those that have true racial complaints because people like me (racists, no doubt) will simply tune it out.
So in this one sociology class I was taking, I pointed out that saying that racism is pervasive yet invisible and underground is an un-disprovable hypothesis, which sort of violates one of the guiding principles of sociology.

I'm sure you agree that there are still racists out there, and racism still exists, but the mere fact that people can cry that term out left and right with no repercussions is just another sign of how far we've come. If a black person stepped out of line like that not 60 years ago, they'd be lynched/shot/stabbed/beaten in a second.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Charlie Rangel just admonished his colleagues not to leave him "twisting in the wind" until November.

Popular expression or racial allusion?

You make the call!
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Well, I'm just accepting my transition into a grumpy old coot who assumes that the kids today don't have proper book-learnin'.
Tell us another story, Pops.
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

Consarn it, I used the google to try and find some of the stories I heard as a young 'un, and this is all that comes up nowadays! :

Little Red Riding Hood - A Politically Correct Fairy Tale


by Jim Garner


There once was a young person named Red Riding Hood who lived with her mother on the edge of a large wood. One day her mother asked her to take a basket of fresh fruit and mineral water to her grandmother's house -- not because this was womyn's work, mind you, but because the deed was generous and helped engender a feeling of community. Furthermore, her grandmother was not sick, but rather was in full physical and mental health and was fully capable of taking care of herself as a mature adult.

So Red Riding Hood set off with her basket of food through the woods. Many people she knew believed that the forest was a foreboding and dangerous place and never set foot in it. Red Riding Hood, however, was confident...

On her way to Grandma's house, Red Riding Hood was accosted by a Wolf, who asked her what was in her basket. She replied, "Some healthful snacks for my grandmother, who is certainly capable of taking care of herself as a mature adult."

The Wolf said, "You know, my dear, it isn't safe for a little girl to walk through these woods alone."

Red Riding Hood said, "I find your sexist remark offensive in the extreme, but I will ignore it because of your traditional status as an outcast from society, the stress of which has caused you to develop your own, entirely valid worldview. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must be on my way."

Red Riding Hood walked on along the main path. But, because his status outside society had freed him from slavish adherence to linear, Western-style thought, the Wolf knew of a quicker route to Grandma's house. He burst into the house and ate Grandma, an entirely valid course of action for a carnivore such as himself. Then, unhampered by rigid, traditionalist notions of what was masculine or feminine, he put on grandma's nightclothes and crawled into bed.

Red Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma, I have brought you some fat-free, sodium-free snacks to salute you in your role of a wise and nurturing matriarch."

From the bed, the Wolf said softly, "Come closer, child, so that I might see you."

Red Riding Hood said, "Oh, I forgot you are as optically challenged as a bat. Grandma, what big eyes you have!"

"They have seen much, and forgiven much, my dear."

"Grandma, what a big nose you have -- only relatively, of course, and certainly attractive in its own way."

"It has smelled much, and forgiven much, my dear."

"Grandma, what big teeth you have!"

The Wolf said, "I am happy with and what I am," and leaped out of bed. He grabbed Red Riding Hood in his claws, intent on devouring her. Red Riding Hood screamed, not out of alarm at the Wolf's apparent tendency toward cross-dressing, but because of his willful invasion of her personal space.

Her screams were heard by a passing woodchopper-person (or log-fuel technician, as he preferred to be called). When he burst into the cottage, he saw the melee and tried to intervene. But as he raised his ax, Red Riding and the Wolf both stopped.

"And what do you think you're doing?" asked Red Riding Hood.

The woodchopper-person blinked and tried to answer, but no words came to him.

"Bursting in here like a Neanderthal, trusting your weapon to do your thinking for you!" she said. "Sexist! Speciesist! How dare you assume that womyn and wolves can't solve their own problems without a man's help!"

When she heard Red Riding Hood's speech, Grandma jumped out of the mouth, took the woodchopper-person's axe, and cut his head off. After this ordeal, Red Riding Hood, Grandma, and the Wolf felt a certain commonality of purpose. They decided to set up an alternative household based on mutual respect and cooperation, and they lived together in the woods happily ever after
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Re: Has the label "racist/racism" lost its impact and meaning?

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The fairytale isn't exactly analogous, as people who cry "wolf" today do it for political power instead of laughs, but the lesson is pretty much still appropriate:

[...]

That is the kind of thing that happens to people who lie: even when they tell the truth no one believes them.

from Stories to Tell to Children by Sara Cone Bryant
Damned politically correct fairy tales. The real lesson of the story is, "Don't tell the same lie twice."

And that's the problem with Sharpton -- even after the Brawley incident, he still went out and jumped on the bandwagon against the Duke Lacrosse team.
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