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wendersfan 07-28-10 12:32 PM

Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
At least according to a new poll by Pew:


Which comes closer to your view about the tax cuts passed when George W. Bush was president?

30% - All of the tax cuts should remain in place
27% - Tax cuts for the wealthy should be repealed, while others stay in place
31% - All of the tax cuts should be repealed
That's 58% saying that at least some income taxes should be raised. Fascinating.

cpgator 07-28-10 12:36 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
I see it as 57% are saying their taxes should be raised.

wendersfan 07-28-10 12:37 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by cpgator (Post 10291616)
i see it as 57% are saying their taxes should be raised.

27+31=58.

Venusian 07-28-10 12:40 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
It'd be interesting if there was a followup question asking people what they define wealthy as and if they even know what the tax cut under bush was for the different groups

Red Dog 07-28-10 12:42 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by Venusian (Post 10291623)
It'd be interesting if there was a followup question asking people what they define wealthy as and if they even know what the tax cut under bush was for the different groups

That would make your average poll participant's head explode.

classicman2 07-28-10 12:43 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
I saw another poll that showed a majority of the American people didn't even know they got a tax cut.

classicman2 07-28-10 12:49 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
If this poll is correct the course of action for the Democrats is obvious.

The Repubs (at least some of them), I don't think, would vote against a targetted tax cut that leaves out the income group that the Repubs love to give tax cuts to.

kvrdave 07-28-10 12:50 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
Like people know better than politicians. "People" also want a balanced budget and less debt and less government. They also didn't want the big bailouts. Fortunately we have leaders who know what is best for us. But I'm betting they'll throw the people a bone and at least give them the higher taxes they desire.

cpgator 07-28-10 12:54 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291619)
27+31=58.

Sorry - i meant to say - I see it as 57% are saying their taxes should NOT be raised.

wendersfan 07-28-10 12:55 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 10291630)
I saw another poll that showed a majority of the American people didn't even know they got a tax cut.

That's because for most people their tax cut was so small as to be almost insignificant.

Th0r S1mpson 07-28-10 12:58 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
Yes, only 31% want their own taxes raised, and an additional 27% want just the rich to pay more taxes.

The latter is almost certainly where we will end up on this one.

OldDude 07-28-10 12:58 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 10291638)
If this poll is correct the course of action for the Democrats is obvious.

The Repubs (at least some of them), I don't think, would vote against a targetted tax cut that leaves out the income group that the Repubs love to give tax cuts to.

Who's that? "Everybody?"

I am amazed that the poor who got "no benefit" from the Bush tax cuts now can't afford the Obama tax increases that would result from expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Since they like government spending so much, I say tax them all, then see how they like it.

Th0r S1mpson 07-28-10 01:00 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291653)
That's because for most people their tax cut was so small as to be almost insignificant.

You sure? Here's a calculator (assuming it's still valid)
http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-f...rksheet-10177/

Saved me a decent amount.

Even if you only made $50,000 a year it would save 5% on taxes. Much more with dependents. It looks like it's $400 a child for lower income brackets. That seems significant to me.

classicman2 07-28-10 01:01 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by Thor Simpson (Post 10291657)
The latter is almost certainly where we will end up on this one.

One can only hope. :)

The Repubs argument: Most of the tax cuts for the 'wealthy' actually went to small businesses. I don't know if that's true. I kinda doubt it.

Th0r S1mpson 07-28-10 01:05 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 10291665)
One can only hope. :)

The Repubs argument: Most of the tax cuts for the 'wealthy' actually went to small businesses. I don't know if that's true. I kinda doubt it.

I kinda doubt it too. I hope they don't cut small business benefits.

OldDude 07-28-10 01:09 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291607)
At least according to a new poll by Pew:



That's 58% saying that at least some income taxes should be raised. Fascinating.

There may be a half empty or half full argument. As the admininistration is defining it (AGI for MFJ >$250K, MFS >$200K) only 3% of filers are "rich"
so 30% don't want anybody's tax raised, and most of 27% only want OTHER PEOPLE'S taxes raised. I figure 56.2% are against higher taxes at least for themselves. Don't tax me, bro', I'm taxed enough already.

orangecrush 07-28-10 01:10 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291653)
That's because for most people their tax cut was so small as to be almost insignificant.

Except poor people w/ kids. :banana:

wendersfan 07-28-10 01:12 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
What's most interesting (and the thing I conveniently left out of the OP) is that most people don't really care that much about the deficit anyway, when compared to things like unemployment. So with that in mind, why these results, other than some reflexive populist attitudes?

Red Dog 07-28-10 01:13 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291678)
What's most interesting (and the thing I conveniently left out of the OP) is that most people don't really care that much about the deficit anyway, when compared to things like unemployment. So with that in mind, why these results, other than some reflexive populist attitudes?

It apparently doesn't take much to interest or fascinate you. ;)

Lets be real - most people don't understand the deficit. Unemployment is a rather simple concept for an individual to understand. You either have a job or you don't.

classicman2 07-28-10 01:14 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
Our politicians don't really care that much about the deficit either, or they would try to do a little something about it.

Dr Mabuse 07-28-10 01:32 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 
A majority of Americans, when polled, said Jewish people were behind 9-11 at one time too.

In a contest of wits, I'd bet on the sack of hammers over the American people.

wendersfan 07-28-10 01:34 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 10291680)
It apparently doesn't take much to interest or fascinate you. ;)

Lets be real - most people don't understand the deficit. Unemployment is a rather simple concept for an individual to understand. You either have a job or you don't.

Public opinion in general interests me, but this is interesting because you'd expect the responses to be the opposite of what they are.

Look at this table:

Code:

-------------------------------------------
                    | 
  Higher taxes      |      Lower taxes
                    | 
--------------------+----------------------
                    | 
Deficit important  |  Deficit unimportant
                    | 
-------------------------------------------

You'd thing that people would be aligned either vertically along each column ('higher taxes/deficit important' or 'lower taxes/deficit unimportant') if they were consistent, or if they were inconsistent 'carbon blobs' they would align on the diagonal 'lower taxes/deficit important'. But instead, they align in the seemingly least probable way, 'higher taxes/deficit unimportant'. Now, to me, that's interesting.

orangecrush 07-28-10 01:34 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse (Post 10291706)
A majority of Americans, when polled, said Jewish people were behind 9-11 at one time too.

In a contest of wits, I'd bet on the sack of hammers over the American people.

That's a real shocker.

Red Dog 07-28-10 01:40 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10291710)
Public opinion in general interests me, but this is interesting because you'd expect the responses to be the opposite of what they are.

Look at this table:

Code:

-------------------------------------------
                    | 
  Higher taxes      |      Lower taxes
                    | 
--------------------+----------------------
                    | 
Deficit important  |  Deficit unimportant
                    | 
-------------------------------------------

You'd thing that people would be aligned either vertically along each column ('higher taxes/deficit important' or 'lower taxes/deficit unimportant') if they were consistent, or if they were inconsistent 'carbon blobs' they would align on the diagonal 'lower taxes/deficit important'. But instead, they align in the seemingly least probable way, 'higher taxes/deficit unimportant'. Now, to me, that's interesting.


I don't expect rational thinking when it comes to carbon blobs. If one doesn't understand something (like the deficit), the less likely it is they will care about that something.

wendersfan 07-28-10 01:43 PM

Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes
 

Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 10291722)
I don't expect rational thinking when it comes to carbon blobs. If one doesn't understand something (like the deficit), the less likely it is they will care about that something.

Setting rationality aside, I would at least expect that otherwise simple-minded people would believe what they are told to believe, i.e., taxes bad, deficit bad.

It's my view that voters are probably no less rational (or well-informed) than the people who post here. ;)


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