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Old 07-28-10, 01:48 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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It's my view that voters are probably no less rational (or well-informed) than the people who post here.
This 'fascinating' thread aside(for obvious reasons), sometimes you make some decent posts here Wenders, don't sell yourself short.
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Old 07-28-10, 01:53 PM
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Setting rationality aside, I would at least expect that otherwise simple-minded people would believe what they are told to believe, i.e., taxes bad, deficit bad.
Of course, that can only make sense if waste and reckless government spending are ALSO bad. Unfortunately, one man's waste is another man's pork, so government just keeps throwing money away..
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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If one doesn't understand something (like the deficit), the less likely it is they will care about that something.
Wenders, you of all people should understand the axiom I presented....isn't that how soccer aficionados view soccer in the United States.
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A majority of Americans, when polled, said Jewish people were behind 9-11 at one time too.
Have a link to that poll?
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

Originally Posted by Thor Simpson View Post
Yes, only 31% want their own taxes raised, and an additional 27% want just the rich to pay more taxes.

The latter is almost certainly where we will end up on this one.
Some of the 27% who want to raise taxes on just "the rich" are, themselves, "rich" so it's actually something more than 31% who are willing to see their own taxes raised.
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Some of the 27% who want to raise taxes on just "the rich" are, themselves, "rich" so it's actually something more than 31% who are willing to see their own taxes raised.
I don't care what those self-loathing fat cats think
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Some of the 27% who want to raise taxes on just "the rich" are, themselves, "rich" so it's actually something more than 31% who are willing to see their own taxes raised.
You sure the Pew poll had that bracket in their respondents?
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

Hmm! What's wrong with our members? We've gone 34 posts with no vitriolics.

Don't construe this as an invitation to change.
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Old 07-28-10, 02:56 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Hmm! What's wrong with our members? We've gone 34 posts with no vitriolics.
I like to think my threads bring out the best in people.
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Have a link to that poll?
You don't remember that stuff? Man it was all over the news. There were polls where more than 50% said the Jews were involved, and there were all manner of reasons and wild conspiracies as to why. IIRC the polls started at around 30% of people believing it, then over time the numbers grew.

Also something like 70% believed Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9-11 in some polls.

Something like 80% in some polls didn't believe that 'official story' on 9-11, meaning there was some dark conspiracy or something, it wasn't Islamic terrorists flying planes.

It was weird, wild stuff.

I can't find an 8 year old link on a poll. When I googled it I did find websites still asserting the Jewish stuff. This video popped up, wouldn't surprise me if this kind of coverage helped increase the number of people who believed it.

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Who's that? "Everybody?"

I am amazed that the poor who got "no benefit" from the Bush tax cuts now can't afford the Obama tax increases that would result from expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Since they like government spending so much, I say tax them all, then see how they like it.
"How they like it" would seem to differ between someone making $400,000 a year and someone making $14,000 a year, wouldn't it? In other words, the relative hardship it would cause would be grossly different. This seems to be a basic tenet that seems simple but is hard to register in some minds.
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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You sure? Here's a calculator (assuming it's still valid)
http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-f...rksheet-10177/

Saved me a decent amount.

Even if you only made $50,000 a year it would save 5% on taxes. Much more with dependents. It looks like it's $400 a child for lower income brackets. That seems significant to me.
Did it show how your state and local taxes were raised?
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Some of the 27% who want to raise taxes on just "the rich" are, themselves, "rich" so it's actually something more than 31% who are willing to see their own taxes raised.
If they have a good sampling plan, perhaps 3% of the 27% are "rich" and 97% "poor", same as for the total population.
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"How they like it" would seem to differ between someone making $400,000 a year and someone making $14,000 a year, wouldn't it? In other words, the relative hardship it would cause would be grossly different. This seems to be a basic tenet that seems simple but is hard to register in some minds.

But, but, but, the Democrats told us the poor got no Bush tax cut. If that is true (I actually knew they were lying out their asses), letting them expire can't hurt the poor.
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Old 07-28-10, 03:13 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

I don't think it will either. Just as I don't think a wealthy person making $400,000 a year will be hurt paying an additional 20 grand.
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Old 07-28-10, 04:35 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...publicdebt.htm

How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?

There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

* You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/for...ormId=23779454

* You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
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Old 07-28-10, 04:53 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...publicdebt.htm

How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?

There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

* You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/for...ormId=23779454

* You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
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While this is true, my charity is the "Help a Pig Fly Foundation" so you know when I'll have spare funds to help the Feds with the debt (more than my minimum legal tax obligation)
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

Well, if every American just pledged ONE DOLLAR a year towards the debt, we'd pay it off in... oops, 42,741 years, without interest
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Old 07-28-10, 06:05 PM
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

Let's not forget that a recent report found that 47% of households pay no federal income tax. So it is theoretically possible that nobody polled selected an answer which would result in their own taxes being raised.
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I don't think it will either. Just as I don't think a wealthy person making $400,000 a year will be hurt paying an additional 20 grand.
Why stop there?

BTW, I don't think you need your couch as much as I do. I'll be dropping by later to pick it up. Thanks. While I'm there, maybe I'll take some of the other "extra" stuff that you have that I don't. I'll decide what's "extra."
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Why stop there?

BTW, I don't think you need your couch as much as I do. I'll be dropping by later to pick it up. Thanks. While I'm there, maybe I'll take some of the other "extra" stuff that you have that I don't. I'll decide what's "extra."
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Yes, only 31% want their own taxes raised, and an additional 27% want just the rich to pay more taxes.
Actually you can't even say that many want their own taxes raised.
Based on the question,

Those that chose option A don't want their taxes raised

Those that chose option B say just the cuts on the rich should be raised but there's no breakdown of which of them consider themselves rich, so no % can be determined.

Those that chose option C said all of the tax cuts should be repealed. How many of them know that they themselves received a tax cut?
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

Well, yeah... you're right. And what percent of the respondents won't pay income tax either way. This poll sucks in a lot of ways.
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Re: Americans say they want higher income taxes

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Some of the 27% who want to raise taxes on just "the rich" are, themselves, "rich" so it's actually something more than 31% who are willing to see their own taxes raised.
That is because they have "wealth" not income. It is not the same when it comes to taxes.
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This poll sucks in a lot of ways.
It's positively grundlicious.
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