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Old 07-08-10, 02:23 PM
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S.F. considers banning sale of pets except fish

This is what happens when you embrace the nanny state in all areas of life, and ignore the concept of limited government.

It's unfair that fish are exempt from the so-called "protections" of this proposed law.


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S.F. considers banning sale of pets except fish

Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer

Thursday, July 8, 2010

Sell a guinea pig, go to jail.

That's the law under consideration by San Francisco's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare. If the commission approves the ordinance at its meeting tonight, San Francisco could soon have what is believed to be the country's first ban on the sale of all pets except fish.

That includes dogs, cats, hamsters, mice, rats, chinchillas, guinea pigs, birds, snakes, lizards and nearly every other critter, or, as the commission calls them, companion animals.

"People buy small animals all the time as an impulse buy, don't know what they're getting into, and the animals end up at the shelter and often are euthanized," said commission Chairwoman Sally Stephens. "That's what we'd like to stop."

San Francisco residents who want a pet would have to go to another city, adopt one from a shelter or rescue group, or find one through the classifieds.

The Board of Supervisors would have final say on the matter. But not before pet store owners unleash a cacophony of howling, squeaking and squawking.

"It's terrible. A pet store that can't sell pets? It's ridiculous," said John Chan, manager of Pet Central on Broadway, which has been in business 30 years. "We'd have to close."

'Terrible for our business'

Joe Taylor, bird manager of Animal Connection on Judah Street, called the proposal "ludicrous."

"What difference does it make if you get a parrot at the SPCA or a pet store? If it doesn't work out, in either case, you just bring it back," Taylor said. "This would be terrible for our business."

The idea originated about two years ago, when the commission began looking into a ban on dog and cat sales as a way to discourage puppy and kitten mills. But the city's animal control staff said that excess puppies and kittens are not the problem at the city shelter, thanks to the plethora of rescue groups. In any case, only one or two pet stores in San Francisco sell dogs and cats. The rest stick to small animals.

The hamster problem

The real problem, staff said, is hamsters.

People buy the high-strung, nocturnal rodents because they're under the temporary impression that hamsters are cute and cuddly. But the new owners quickly learn that hamsters are, in fact, prone to biting, gnawing through expensive wiring and maniacally racing on their exercise wheels at 2 a.m.

So the animals end up at the shelter. Just about every species has its own rescue group in San Francisco, but no one seems to want hamsters. Hamsters are the No. 1 animal euthanized at the city's shelter, said San Francisco Animal Care and Control director Rebecca Katz.

"It's definitely a concern," she said. "They're an impulse buy, and we do sometimes get tons of them, especially babies."

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Committed owners

On Wednesday, the shelter, which is on 15th Street in the Mission District, had six hamsters, nine rabbits, nine mice, nine rats, two guinea pigs, a bowl of goldfish, two birds, a leopard gecko, a bearded dragon and a hermit crab named Charlie.

But those shelter hamsters almost certainly did not originate at a pet store, said Michael Maddox, general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council in Washington, D.C.

Studies by UC Davis and the National Council on Pet Population Study and Policy have shown that only a small fraction of shelter animals were purchased at pet stores, he said. People who buy animals at pet stores are just as committed, emotionally and financially, to caring for their pets as people who procure pets elsewhere, he said.

"This is an anti-pet proposal from people who oppose the keeping of pets," he said. "If their goal is to ban the ownership of pets entirely, then this is a good first step."

The commission plans to listen to testimony from pet store owners, among others, before voting. Among the items it will consider is the impact on small businesses, whether to allow the sale of feeder rodents for snakes and other reptiles, the sale of fish, owner education, penalties and rescue groups that host adoptions at pet stores.

"We're still in the information-gathering phase," said Commissioner Philip Gerrie, who is sponsoring the proposal. "We're trying to get at the problem of people buying these creatures with the best intentions, but then the reality turns out quite different."
Meeting tonight

San Francisco's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare meets at 5:30 p.m. today at City Hall, Room 408, to consider an ordinance banning the sale of pets, except for fish, in San Francisco.

-- For more information, go to sfgate.com/ZJYO.
Euthanized pets in S.F.

13% Percentage of dogs and cats at the San Francisco animal shelter that are euthanized, including aggressive, injured and sick animals.

35% Percentage of dogs and cats in shelters nationwide that are euthanized.

30% Percentage of hamsters, guinea pigs, rabbits and other small animals at the San Francisco shelter that are euthanized.

Source: San Francisco Animal Care and Control
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Go get 'em grundle.
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Name 5 countries, quickly, that have more freedoms than this country.
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Name 5 countries, quickly, that have more freedoms than this country.
What does it matter if another country has more or less freedoms than us? Because many countries have less freedoms, then we should have less too?

Also - the law is stupid and won't be passed.
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Atlantis, Utopia, um...Skull Island?
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Name 5 countries, quickly, that have more freedoms than this country.
I get to count various types of online gambling as separate in my computations since our gov't has seen fit to treat certain things differently than others, right?
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I'm fine with it. Those hippies suck in so many ways, what's one more?
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You forgot Pandora.
No, their freedoms are severely hampered by poor writing.
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I honestly wouldn't have too much of a problem with this; animal "farms" that supply pet stores do a really shitty job of it, for the most part, with diseased/deformed animals being very common, and mistreatment is rampant.

And if people don't want a "nanny state", they'd better start getting educated. Because stupidity needs to be stopped, whether it's done via brains or legislation, and "freedom" be damned. And don't get me started on the so-called "freedoms" we think we have, via lots & lots of bullshit propaganda.

You're only "free" if you play ball with The Man.
So "the Man" is bad because he hampers our freedoms, but the only way to combat ignorance is through restriction of freedoms?
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I am an employee of IRS. I will be contacting you in the very near future.
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Only if it's a freedom I don't think you should have, of course.

No, not the only way, but that's the way it'll go if people don't begin to educate themselves....and they won't. I'm feeling cynical today, and I really believe that we are fucked as a species, due to stupidity. But if the only way I can get someone to "wise up" is by artificially doing it (i.e., someone too stupid to wear a helmet while motorcycling must be forced to by law), fuck it, flush the "rights". All the crap you learned in social studies class about how much freedom you have was just propaganda and bullshit meant to sell cars, houses, and to make you raise a family (lotsa $$$ there, and a litter of new taxpayers), and to keep "The Man" well-fed off your* taxes.


*And I do mean YOUR taxes; I decided many years ago that I'd never pay into the bullshit people call "the System", as it does not perform adequately enough for me to consider it worthy of any of my $$$$. In fact, if it weren't for sales tax, I'd pay very nearly zero in total taxes. I haven't owed Federal tax in many years....How? I cheat 'em blind....year in, year out.
Now we know why Lemmy likes those Commie unions that push for more taxes and big guvmt. He doesnt have to pay for it.

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An unpaid nanny doesn't take very good care of the kids.
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Only if it's a freedom I don't think you should have, of course.

No, not the only way, but that's the way it'll go if people don't begin to educate themselves....
Well, first off, I don't think that what SF is trying to pass is as needed, or comparable to seat belt/helmet laws.

I agree with you that people should take more interest in the world around them before talking bad about new laws like this.

As for the last thing, I hope you're just joking. I don't understand why you support social programs like healthcare reform for example, but don't believe in paying you're fair share.
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Well, first off, I don't think that what SF is trying to pass is as needed, or comparable to seat belt/helmet laws.

I agree with you that people should take more interest in the world around them before talking bad about new laws like this.

As for the last thing, I hope you're just joking. I don't understand why you support social programs like healthcare reform for example, but don't believe in paying you're fair share.
It's a very egocentric ideology. It is refreshing that someone is actually honest about it.
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they should just pass a tax to pay for killing your pet when you get tired of it
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Where's the poll in this thread?
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So a woman can get an abortion but can't buy a pet? They're worried about euthanized cats and dogs, but not unborn children?
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Hey man, calm down. Take it one nanny state step at a time.
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An unpaid nanny doesn't take very good care of the kids.
Worse, she accidentally kills herself with a sex toy.
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So a woman can get an abortion but can't buy a pet? They're worried about euthanized cats and dogs, but not unborn children?
I think it would be great if they mandated abortions for San Francisco residents.
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There'd still be very few, then, wouldn't there?
Oh, I see. You thought I was talking about the unborn.
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