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Old 07-01-10, 03:25 PM
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I just read that Minnesota outlawed "ladies night."

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis.../ladies-night/

St. Paul, Minn. — The Minnesota Department of Human Rights said Friday that it appears five bars in the Twin Cities are discriminating against male patrons by holding "ladies' night" promotions.

The promotions, which offer female customers free or discounted drinks, violate the Minnesota Human Rights Act, department officials said in a statement.

"It is the Department of Human Rights' position that ladies' night is illegal. Gender-based pricing violates the Human Rights Act," Commissioner James Kirkpatrick said.

The five bars have not been named because the cases are still open. While the department's investigation has found evidence that the bars' promotions violated the law, officials said no resolution or settlements have yet been reached with the establishments.

Officials said the department's findings are consistent with one other case the department settled in 1994 with Gators Bar at the Mall of America. The bar, which is no longer there, had charged "ladies night" entry fees that human rights officials determined violated the law.

"Bars and restaurants have other, non-discriminatory options for increasing business, through gender-neutral promotions," the department said in the statement.

The Human Rights Department said it will not seek out bars that have a "ladies night" but will respond to complaints filed by people who believe they've been discriminated against.
First of all, where's the victim? This isn't like a restaurant having two prices for menu items, one price for white people and one price for minorities. The entire point of ladies night is to help men get some.

Second of all, if this is illegal, then shouldn't senior discounts be outlawed as well? If the logic behind outlawing ladies night is that two people shouldn't be charged two different prices for the exact same product/service, then isn't the price of a senior citizen's movie ticket age discriminatory towards young people, or has that loophole been closed?
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I remember long ago on The People's Court with Judge Wapner when a guy sued a club over Ladies Night. Under CA law, it was illegal, and the dude won.

Being married, I am all for the ban, because they wanted their equal pay, and we'll get around to it when we feel like it. In the meantime, you buy me a drink, bitch!
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Ladies Nights were banned in DC several years ago thanks to that asshole John Banzhaf who has nothing better to do.

But this is what you get when you have equal protection and the CRA applied to privately owned "places of public accomodation."
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senior citizen isn't illegal because age isn't a protected class. right?
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Ladies Nights were banned in DC several years ago thanks to that asshole John Banzhaf who has nothing better to do.

But this is what you get when you have equal protection and the CRA applied to privately owned "places of public accomodation."
Does the CRA deal with age? Because if a man and a woman HAVE to pay the exact same price for the exact same service, then why shouldn't a young person and an old person have to do the same?
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senior citizen isn't illegal because age isn't a protected class. right?
It is a protected class, at least in employment. But not in public accomodations.

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Does the CRA deal with age?
I do not believe so.
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Here's a handy chart for Minnesota (under their state law):

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Interesting chart.

"Familial Status" - Does that mean that a bar could have "singles night" and charge a different price for drinks based on who's wearing a wedding/engagement ring?
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You're confusing 'familial status' with 'marital status.' I believe familial status refers to <strike>non-related people (in co-habitation).</strike>


edit: It simply refers to discriminating against a family (child + parent(s) or guardian(s)). The only exception is for housing designated as housing for older persons.

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I just read that Minnesota outlawed "ladies night."

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis.../ladies-night/



then isn't the price of a senior citizen's movie ticket age discriminatory towards young people, or has that loophole been closed?

No because Seniors can be all races and religions. We will all be seniors (hopefully) one day so its fair.
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I shall be a lady someday.
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I have no problem with this as I have no interest in sleeping with women. Suck it, straight dudes.

No, really, suck it. Women aren't getting drunk anymore.
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Women aren't getting drunk anymore.


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No but you'll be a woman soon.
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I have no problem with this as I have no interest in sleeping with women. Suck it, straight dudes.

No, really, suck it. Women aren't getting drunk anymore.
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This isn't price discrimination. Guys are still buying drinks on ladies night.
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I'm indifferent to this issue.

I did find it odd the first time I heard about a guy suing over Ladies Night. I had always assumed that if you're a single guy, you would want there to be a lot of pretty, drunk women around. It seems like a win/win for everyone.

It's not a big loss as far as I'm concerned. Besides, I tend to hang out at lesbian bars these days and those places would go out of business if they had a Ladies Night.
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What's the difference between creed and religion?
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Religion is about worship of a deity/deities. Creed is about self-worship of a lead singer who thinks he's a deity.
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...First of all, where's the victim? This isn't like a restaurant having two prices for menu items, one price for white people and one price for minorities...
Men, and sure it is. There is a lower price for drinks for women, and a higher price for men.

The issue wasn't a cover charge, it was that the bar was either giving away drinks to women for free or at reduced prices while charging the guys full price. Yes, I understand what the guys get out of this as a whole but is it "fair" to charge a higher price to the guy? Say that two same-sex couples go to the bar; two men and two women. Is it fair to charge the two women virtually nothing to drink at a bar all night while two guys are paying full price?

I'm not going to be leading the charge against lady's night and wouldn't dream of filing a lawsuit, but I agree with the decision. However, charging women a different cover charge is a different situation, I think that should be legal.

As far as the senior citizen discounts go, my only guess is that it's legal because it is something that everybody will be able to get... eventually.
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I'm not going to be leading the charge against lady's night and wouldn't dream of filing a lawsuit, but I agree with the decision. However, charging women a different cover charge is a different situation, I think that should be legal.
Why is one okay and not the other?
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