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Old 07-12-10, 09:45 AM
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

I was thinking that charging for admission should be different than charging for goods (drinks) but the more I think about it I am thinking that the cover charges should be the same.

Again, this is just my personal opinion, I'm not leading any crusades against ladies nights.
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

Still wrong, but at least you're now consistent.
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

You have a situation where some people benefit from lower priced drinks. So a sniveling whinger decides that rather than letting some people benefit, all should suffer to their level. If a place wants to discount to a subset of their clientele they should be able to. If ladies night pisses you off then you probably just want to have a sword fight.
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

Why wouldn't dudes who don't like this just not go to bars w/ ladies nights?
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Why wouldn't dudes who don't like this just not go to bars w/ ladies nights?


For attempted reason.
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Look at everyone becoming libertarian all of a sudden
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

This would be an example of good discrimination.
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

Just reverse the situation. Say there's a bar where men get in free and pay $1 per beer while women have to pay a $5 cover charge and pay $2 per beer.

Would that be discriminatory against women? Or how about if an oil change place charges men $15 to change their oil, but $20 for women? (a local oil change place has a discount for women on Tuesdays)

If the consensus is that this isn't discrimination then I'll concede that ladies night isn't discriminatory.
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Re: Ladies Night - price discrimination?

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If the consensus is that this isn't discrimination then I'll concede that ladies night isn't discriminatory.
I think everyone really knows it is discriminatory, but they don't care, because it gets them either

A) drunk

or

B) laid
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Originally Posted by joeblow69 View Post
I think everyone really knows it is discriminatory, but they don't care, because it gets them either

A) drunk

or

B) laid
I get neither from Ladies night and I don't really care. I don't really care if business owners discriminate in general though.
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Update from a similar case in NYC:

US court says 'Ladies Night' promos not discriminatory

(AFP) – 3 days ago

NEW YORK — Call it a victory for women of the velvet rope. A US appeals court has tossed out a lawsuit against New York nightclubs which sought to brand their "Ladies Night" promotions as unconstitutional.

The Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan rejected lawyer Roy Den Hollander's bid to outlaw the specials -- in which women are let into bars and discos for free or half-price -- on the grounds they violate gender equality laws, according to a Wednesday ruling.

New York state has no control over the matter because "liquor licenses are not directly related to the pricing scheme," at an establishment's door, the court said in its ruling on Den Hollander v. Copacabana Nightclub.

The ruling did not sit well with Den Hollander, who had sued the Copacabana, China Club, Lotus and other nightclubs for their use of the practice that he said violates the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Under the amendment's equal protection clause, the government has a duty to protect its citizens from discrimination.

Den Hollander, a self-proclaimed anti-feminist, has argued before judges that the state of New York, which issues liquor licenses to nightclubs, is complicit in promotional practices that "invidiously discriminate against men."

"The guys are paying for girls to party. I don't think that's fair," Den Hollander told the New York Daily News after the rejection by the court of appeals.

"It's a transfer of money from the wallets of guys to the pocketbooks of girls," said the Manhattanite, who reportedly blamed militant feminists for the Ladies Night policies, and not the promoters bent on luring women to the clubs.

In a unanimous ruling, the court's three judges noted, apparently with tongue in cheek, that "Den Hollander paints a picture of a bleak future, where 'none other than what's left of the Wall Street moguls' will be able to afford to attend nightclubs."

Den Hollander -- who was profiled, along with his case, in a 2007 New Yorker article -- said he vowed to appeal to the Supreme Court.

When asked how likely it was for the highest court in the land to take up his crusade to bring men's and ladies' cover charges into parity, he told the Daily News: "about the same as some pretty young lady paying my way on a date."
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Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
I shall be a lady someday.
Where's the fetus going to gestate? In a box?
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I wonder if a gay bar had reduced priced drinks for "bottoms" over "tops" if it could work. The only sticking point would be confirming one's status.
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More like "sticky" point. Right? Right?
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Originally Posted by Rockmjd23 View Post
What's the difference between creed and religion?
This is Creed
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I wonder if a gay bar had reduced priced drinks for "bottoms" over "tops" if it could work. The only sticking point would be confirming one's status.
.....what?
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.....what?
Well, having recently gone to a gay bar with several gay friends of mine and watched the interactions and interplay between “tops” and “bottoms” (hilariously narrated by my friends) I was thinking at the time how they mirrored their male/female counterparts,

After then reading your comment I was simply musing how this could be applied in the “gay world”.

(Now I know that obviously all gay men do not fall into the top/bottom category, but there certainly seem to be quite a few that do)
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^so which one are you?
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^so which one are you?
Power Bottom.
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I wonder if a gay bar had reduced priced drinks for "bottoms" over "tops" if it could work. The only sticking point would be confirming one's status.
Yeah, that would never work. There are already WAY too many bottoms out there as it is. You want to give the TOPS discounts.
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Yeah, that would never work. There are already WAY too many bottoms out there as it is. You want to give the TOPS discounts.
Interesting. I always thought it would be the other way around.
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Yeah, that would never work. There are already WAY too many bottoms out there as it is. You want to give the TOPS discounts.
Really? Interesting. I'd think the opposite as well but a quick look at the M4M section of Craig's List seems to confirm this.
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Yeah, even though the US is considered a "top-heavy" country (but just barely)
Spoiler:


FROM TOP TO BOTTOM
(Numbers indicate percentage of tops)
1. Costa Rica – 62.37%
2. Venezuela – 61.73%
3. Cuba – 61.48%
4. Panama – 60.93%
5. Dominican Republic – 60.88%
6. Colombia – 59.54%
7. Portugal – 58.39%
8. Italy – 58.18%
9. Spain – 57.92%
10. Egypt – 57.71%
11. Argentina – 57.69%
12. India – 57.45%
13. Chile – 57.31%
14. Switzerland – 56.91%
15. New Zealand – 56.60%
16. South Africa – 56.58%
17. Brazil – 56.08%
18. Greece – 55.95%
19. Israel – 55.43%
20. Ireland – 55.12%
21. Philippines – 54.63%
22. Belgium – 54.46%
23. Australia – 54.02%
24. Thailand – 53.41%
25. Mexico – 53.17%
26. Netherlands – 52.95%
27. USA – 52.80%
28. South Korea – 52.26%
29. Canada – 52.01%
30. France – 51.79%
31. Sweden – 51.65%
32. Peru – 51.05%
33. England – 50.64%
34. Germany – 49.56%
35. China – 49.48%
36. Indonesia – 48.92%
37. Russia – 48.69%
38. Malaysia – 48.51%
39. Taiwan – 46.95%
40. Denmark – 46.40%


Tops always seem to be in higher demand. I don't know why it is ... tops have lower libedo? don't go out as much? Tire out easly, and can only service 1 bottom a day?
More research is needed IMHO.

Back on topic, Ladies Nights are TOTALLY unconstitutional, and should be banned!!! Chicks need to pay full price with the rest of us!
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<------has no problem spending more money than the ladies on drinks. As long as I don't have to pay $50 for a haircut, all is good.
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From a purely legal standpoint...I find it a horrible ruling.
From a fairness standpoint....if you replace "female" with "White", "Jew", etc. it suddenly becomes an issue.
From a (straight) guy's perspective....eh, it sucks, but that is how it goes.

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