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Old 05-29-10, 12:59 AM
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Please help me analyze my friend's political views again.

Here's something good for a laugh. A friend of mine has been trying to convince me that I should start watching Glenn Beck and that unless I read the books Beck recommends, I will lose my salvation and God will damn me to hell. I told him that I had no interest in Beck's neo-conservative diatribes, as my politcal views lie elsewhere. I told my friend that all the political commentators on TV are just in it for the ratings. This is my friends response:


What has that got to do with Sean or Glenn??? They're against Obama, warning what the man is doing and how illegal all of it is. But by your reasoning, he's a politician so there is no right or wrong so it's impossible for Bush or Obama to break the law, right?

As for comparing Obama to Hitler, you really should listen to Sean more.
There's newscasters calling Obama the smartest President ever without a clue as to his IQ and the such. It's funny how taken the media was with him, but had NO idea what they were talking about. You should look it up if you want to realize how bought off the media was for Obama.
There's others talking about shivers running up their legs while listening to him speak.
I remember going to the supermarket and glancing at the magazine rack. 9 out of 10 were about how great Obama was. That other 1 was about Sarah Palin's daughter (after Obama said they needed to focus on the candidates, not their families, after his wife talked about only being proud of her country when her husband was running for President, LOL.)
Remember, Obama was a community organizer and had done nothing to deserve praise, but the media portrayed him as the greatest president ever before he was President.
Bad economic times and so on.
Remember the lady who said she wouldn't have to worry about putting gas in her car because Obama was going to be President?
Yet there were black ministers warning about Obama and comparing him to Hitler months before he was elected. You don't listen, you just dismiss it because it's ludicrous, but you have no idea what they are saying. Everyone who disagrees with Obama and warns about him is a nut job, even though Obama proves them right on a daily basis.
Yes, Obama proves you wrong on a daily basis.
Your excuse now? "There's no right or wrong in politics." What kind of logic is that? It goes against everything the church teaches. What, politicians won't be held accountable for their choices because their politicians?
Seriously, where in scriptures or church teachings did you get that idea? Where are you getting these ideas? Because if you even glance at the gospel you know how wrong those ideas are.

So who was more popular (according to the media)? Obama or Hitler?
Then again, it was all media hype. So how did he get elected? Voter fraud through Acorn? They did get their payoff in the "stimulus" bill. LOL. Fraud left and right, yet Bush "wasn't President" because his brother was governor of Florida and Obama is despite the payoffs using your tax dollars? (This is your logic, not mine remember.)

You don't listen to Sean or Glenn and this is the thinking/logic you come up with? LOL. Sorry, not listening to them isn't helping you. Whoever you are listening to is obviously full of crap and Obama is proving them wrong on his own.

Try again.
Good for a laugh at the very least.
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Old 05-29-10, 01:26 AM
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Re: Please help me analyze my friend's political views again.

You're friends with wm_lopez?
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Old 05-29-10, 01:58 AM
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Re: Please help me analyze my friend's political views again.

that almost reads like a Rush Limbaugh rant
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Old 05-29-10, 04:49 AM
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Re: Please help me analyze my friend's political views again.

I won't bother to comment on all of this (it's generally futile to argue with a person with a mindset like that), but here's some thoughts on some of it.

Originally Posted by E. Honda
Here's something good for a laugh. A friend of mine has been trying to convince me that I should start watching Glenn Beck and that unless I read the books Beck recommends, I will lose my salvation and God will damn me to hell.
That is a whole other matter from the actual politics (although often dragged in, often manipulatively/coercively like that). Your friend apparently has no understanding that a multitude of religious views exist (each asserting their own certitude), even within the same religion. Many are mutually exclusive/contradictory on various points major and minor, so the people with other positions will damn you to their hell no matter which one you side with.

Originally Posted by E. Honda
I told him that I had no interest in Beck's neo-conservative diatribes, as my politcal views lie elsewhere.


Originally Posted by friend
What has that got to do with Sean or Glenn??? They're against Obama, warning what the man is doing and how illegal all of it is. But by your reasoning, he's a politician so there is no right or wrong so it's impossible for Bush or Obama to break the law, right?
Thinking that some people might be distorting things from what you think is accurate (what is being done, how it should be interpreted, how the laws should be interpreted) to further their own agendas and feed their frenzied viewers, is very different from thinking that those people's interpretations are accurate but that it doesn't matter since politicians on all sides can do no wrong. (WTF? If he wants to twist your position like that, why claim that you'd feel the same way about Bush? There is extremely little overlap between people who still like Bush and people who like Obama.)

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Your excuse now? "There's no right or wrong in politics." What kind of logic is that? It goes against everything the church teaches. What, politicians won't be held accountable for their choices because their politicians?
I'm guessing you meant something like 'in politics, what one side things is right, their opponents often think is wrong'.

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Seriously, where in scriptures or church teachings did you get that idea? Where are you getting these ideas? Because if you even glance at the gospel you know how wrong those ideas are.
Interesting, because many branches of religions, particularly the more 'strident' ones, tend to espouse the view that whatever their God (and anyone 'following his commands') does/says is automatically/inherently/unquestionably moral/right/good, even if any person/entity other than their God (and those 'following his commands') doing/saying some of those things would tend to be considered evil/wrong/bad.

The vast majority of politicians (including Bush to a vast extent, and Obama to a lesser extent) like to make mention of how they're guided by God, listen to God, and/or even (as Bush and friends did) are 'doing God's work' and/or are 'chosen'/ordained by God.

Since all politicians don't agree, either God has been telling them different contradictory things to screw with us, or else each person chooses to believe the God-inspiration claims of the politicians who agree with their own existing religious/political views, and dismisses, ignores, thinks are mistaken, or thinks to be maliciously lying, the politicians who don't agree with their own existing religious/political views.

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Remember, Obama was a community organizer and had done nothing to deserve praise, but the media portrayed him as the greatest president ever before he was President.
Before the election, going back to before the primaries, there were huge amounts of discussions/arguments regarding Obama's accomplishments/qualifications to be President. The people who 2+ years later are still in the "he has none" camp that dismisses all of his accomplishments/qualifications aren't going to be convinced otherwise. They likewise won't be convinced at this point if they haven't already that, as brought up many times pre-election, it doesn't matter how (un)worthy they regard Obama's accomplishments/qualifications to be, since Lincoln had similar accomplishments/qualifications of whatever 'worth' before his own Presidential election.

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Old 05-29-10, 12:44 PM
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It's always amazing to me reading these rants from the Fox News/Limbaugh crowd, that they all feature such a similar narrative. It's amazing how coordinated these commentators all are in constructing this weird reality in the minds of their viewers. Browse article comments at any major American news website or Conservative blog and you find endless examples of posts more or less the same as the OP.

Liberal media, blah blah blah, Sarah Palin is a victim, ACORN, community organizer, socialist, Hitler, and on and on - all neatly tied together with little explanation and coated with a veneer of self-righteous indignation.
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Re: Please help me analyze my friend's political views again.

Originally Posted by Nausicaa View Post
It's always amazing to me reading these rants from the Fox News/Limbaugh crowd, that they all feature such a similar narrative. It's amazing how coordinated these commentators all are in constructing this weird reality in the minds of their viewers. Browse article comments at any major American news website or Conservative blog and you find endless examples of posts more or less the same as the OP.

Liberal media, blah blah blah, Sarah Palin is a victim, ACORN, community organizer, socialist, Hitler, and on and on - all neatly tied together with little explanation and coated with a veneer of self-righteous indignation.
Sorta like the global warming sect.
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Old 05-29-10, 04:51 PM
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This is a pointless thread. Anyone with such an extreme point of view is not worth discussing anything with. You're not going to change their mind. They are childish, and you are, too, if you think you can "win" some kind of debate with them.

And that goes for the "Bush/Hitler" crowd, too, not just the "Obama/Hitler" crowd.
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