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classicman2 05-26-10 07:43 AM

Obama Will Skip The Traditional Wreath Laying Ceremony At Arlington Nat'l. ....
 
When is the last time that a president has failed to lay a wreath at Arlington National Cemetary on Memorial Day?

We're engaged in 2 wars. Shouldn't tradition be followed this time?

Is this a slap at the military?

crazyronin 05-26-10 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 10179451)
When is the last time that a president has failed to lay a wreath at Arlington National Cemetary on Memorial Day?

2007 :shrug:

*edit: whoops, that was Veteran's Day.

Looks like 1992.

CRM114 05-26-10 08:06 AM

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Is classicman2 slapping the soldier's families who have loved ones buried at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery in the face?

classicman2 05-26-10 08:17 AM

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Obama will however make it back to Washington in time next week to honor Paul McCartney, who has sacrificed so much for the freedoms we enjoy.

:lol:

dork 05-26-10 08:23 AM

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Paul McCartney? Isn't he the long-haired radical who makes that racket the youngsters call "music"?

TGM 05-26-10 08:26 AM

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I cannot fucking stand Obama, and hope he gets ousted, like, yesterday, but I don't see this as that big of a deal.

starman9000 05-26-10 08:37 AM

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Well, he at least better do some shopping on Memorial Day so he fits in with 90% of the country.

grundle 05-27-10 08:28 PM

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...us-troops.html

Two presidents visit U.S. troops: The styles of Barack Obama and George W. Bush in photos

March 30, 2010

President Obama made his first trip as chief executive to Afghanistan over the weekend to, among other things, visit troops close to Kabul. He spoke to them at Bagram Airfield and we had the full text right here.

The White House released this picture by official White House photographer Pete Souza, showing the president shaking hands and grabbing a soldier's finger, and the troops' reactions.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...eff6970b-600wi

The picture below was taken by official White House photographer Eric Draper of another president, George W. Bush, visiting U.S. troops in South Korea and their reactions.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...0d40970c-600wi

DVD Polizei 05-27-10 08:44 PM

Re: Obama Will Skip The Traditional Wreath Laying Ceremony At Arlington Nat'l. ....
 
Maybe the reason there are more soldiers in the lower pic is because they were alive then.

starman9000 05-27-10 09:04 PM

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Nope, those were events at the same time in tents next door to each other. Clearly Obama hates the troops. Notice how he is shaking hands with the non-uniformed WOMAN wearing a SCARF?

Tuan Jim 05-27-10 11:19 PM

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It is pretty funny seeing Bush wearing an Army PT (physical fitness uniform) jacket. Don't recognize that pin though - doesn't look like the one you get for maxing your fitness test scores unless they've changed them - but it's in the right spot.

OTOH, that leather jacket really doesn't match those pants.

kvrdave 05-27-10 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuan Jim (Post 10182665)
OTOH, that leather jacket really doesn't match those pants.

This is why we don't need Don't Ask Don't Tell. We already know. -wink-

kvrdave 05-27-10 11:56 PM

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I do remember Bush being criticized for golfing when we had a war going on, and from then on he never golfed again. Obama obviously isn't waiting for the rate of Afghanistan deaths to surpass Iraqs, since that has already happened. But any moment now, he will act like there is a war going on. But surely he shouldn't sacrifice anything, because they are Bush's wars.

Tracer Bullet 05-28-10 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei (Post 10182449)
Maybe the reason there are more soldiers in the lower pic is because they were alive then.

rotfl

al_bundy 05-28-10 08:43 AM

Re: Obama Will Skip The Traditional Wreath Laying Ceremony At Arlington Nat'l. ....
 

Originally Posted by grundle (Post 10182420)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...us-troops.html

Two presidents visit U.S. troops: The styles of Barack Obama and George W. Bush in photos

March 30, 2010

President Obama made his first trip as chief executive to Afghanistan over the weekend to, among other things, visit troops close to Kabul. He spoke to them at Bagram Airfield and we had the full text right here.

The White House released this picture by official White House photographer Pete Souza, showing the president shaking hands and grabbing a soldier's finger, and the troops' reactions.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...eff6970b-600wi

The picture below was taken by official White House photographer Eric Draper of another president, George W. Bush, visiting U.S. troops in South Korea and their reactions.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...0d40970c-600wi

the military seems to like Obama more because there are aren't any secret service agents 2 feet away to protect him

CRM114 05-28-10 08:50 AM

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You can tell how much the military dislikes Obama by his West Point speech where no one applauded.

Draven 05-28-10 08:51 AM

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From Snopes:


News that President Obama would be spending the 2010 Memorial Day weekend in Chicago rather than attending services in Arlington were attended by claims (like the example cited above) that he would thus become the first U.S. president to skip the Arlington wreath-laying ceremony since the inception of Memorial Day. This claim is inaccurate: On several occasions in just the last thirty years, U.S. presidents have been elsewhere on Memorial Day (either vacationing or attending to other presidential duties), while other administration officials represented them at the wreath-laying ceremony:

In 2002, President George W. Bush was in France on Memorial Day and participated in ceremonies at Normandy (site of the D-Day landings) honoring the U.S. soldiers who fought and died in World War II. In his place, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

President George H.W. Bush (himself a World War II veteran) attended no ceremonies at Arlington National Cemetery during his four years in office. In 1989 he was in Rome on Memorial Day (where he led observances at an American military cemetery south of that city), and from 1990 through 1992 he spent the Memorial Day weekend vacationing in Kennebunkport, Maine, while Vice-President Dan Quayle laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

President Ronald Reagan was away from Arlington on Memorial Day on four occasions during his eight years in office: In 1981, he (who had been seriously wounded in an assassination attempt six weeks earlier) spent the Memorial Day weekend at his ranch in Santa Barbara, California, while Vice-President George H.W. Bush laid the wreath at Arlington. In 1983, he attended a summit meeting in Williamsburg, Virginia, while Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Thayer represented the administration at the wreath-laying ceremony. In 1987, he spent Memorial Day at the Camp David presidential retreat while Navy Secretary James Webb participated in the wreath-laying ceremony. And on Memorial Day 1988, he was out of the U.S., attending a summit meeting in Moscow.

NOTE: President Bill Clinton has no entry in this list because he attended Memorial Day ceremonies at Arlington each year throughout his eight years in office.

On Memorial Day 2010, President Obama is scheduled to honor America's fallen heroes with a speech at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery in Chicago, while Vice-President Joe Biden takes his place at Arlington
As long as he does something to honor the day (which he's doing) this seems like a non-issue.

Troy Stiffler 05-28-10 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Draven (Post 10183024)
As long as he does something to honor the day (which he's doing) this seems like a non-issue.

Yea, but what's provocative about that? Booooo.

Shoveler 05-29-10 11:35 PM

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So based on the Snopes entry, sounds like the VP handles the wreath laying chores in place of the President. Does this mean we can expect Biden to lay the wreath, and then ask all of the honored dead to stand up and be recognized while everyone gives them a hand (God love them!)?

BKenn01 05-30-10 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 10183023)
You can tell how much the military dislikes Obama by his West Point speech where no one applauded.


All he really got was probably a golf clap. I mean he wants the troops to be part of the New World Order.-wink- I mean what do you expect:shrug:


kvrdave 05-30-10 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Draven (Post 10183024)
As long as he does something to honor the day (which he's doing) this seems like a non-issue.

He's finally stepping down? Fantastic.

Draven 05-30-10 10:35 PM

Re: Obama Will Skip The Traditional Wreath Laying Ceremony At Arlington Nat'l. ....
 

Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 10186119)
He's finally stepping down? Fantastic.

*looks around* Don't really see any better alternatives.

Laser Movies 05-31-10 04:29 PM

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Obama's ceremony in Illinois got rained out.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...DNizAD9G2200G0


Biden honors fallen troops; Obama talk rained out

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE (AP) – 39 minutes ago

ELWOOD, Ill. — Vice President Joe Biden hailed America's fighting men and women Monday as the "spine of this nation," while President Barack Obama's Land of Lincoln tribute got washed out by a severe thunderstorm and high winds.

Biden made the more traditional appearance at Arlington National Cemetery on Obama's behalf, saying the country has "a sacred obligation" to make sure its servicemen and women are the best equipped and best-supported troops in the world.

"As a nation, we pause to remember them," Biden said. "They gave their lives fulfilling their oath to this nation and to us."

Obama had readied a similar message of gratitude for his appearance at the Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery in Illinois, and actually had taken the podium to give the address when the skies opened up with a quintessentially midwestern late-spring downpour — thunder, lightning and high winds.

Under the cover of a large umbrella, he told thousands gathered before him that "a little bit of rain doesn't hurt anybody, but we don't want anybody being struck by lightning." He asked people to return to their cars for their safety, and he retreated briefly to an administration building on the cemetery's grounds. A few minutes later Obama boarded a pair of buses to greet military families that came for the event.

Within the hour, reporters who accompanied Obama to the cemetery in Elwood, Ill., were told the speech had been called off. The White House had released copies of Obama's prepared remarks in advance of his talk, but they were pulled back when the event had to be canceled.

Before the storm hit, and in advance of his appearance at the podium, Obama had visited a section of headstones where two Marines awaited him. After laying a wreath, he bowed his head in a moment of silence, his hands tightly clasped. Then a lone bugler played Taps.

After leaving the cemetery, Obama met privately with families of veterans and service members currently living at the Fisher House in Hines, Ill. It serves as a home away from home for family members whose loved ones are getting treatment at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Hines, which is about 12 miles west of downtown Chicago.

At Arlington, Biden carried out the traditional wreath-laying at the Tomb of the Unknowns under a brilliant sunshine.

The vice president, accompanied by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the country's service members are "the heart and soul and, I would, say spine of this nation." He said taking part in the annual ceremony was "the greatest honor of my public life."

Obama's decision to appear in Illinois, rather than at the national burial grounds at Arlington, had been controversial, and some veterans groups criticized him for it, although he was not the first president to bypass the annual outing.

Paul Rieckhoff, founder and executive director of the group Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said Arlington is the focal point of the nation's and military's attention on Memorial Day. "When he's not here, it doesn't look like he's on the same page," Rieckhoff said.

Rieckhoff said U.S. service men and women need Obama to use the bully pulpit to remind people that the holiday is not about going to the beach or barbecuing. "We think that he has an obligation to really bridge the divide between the military and the rest of the population."

"We appreciate that the vice president is going to be here, but it's not the same," Rieckhoff said.

Jay Agg, a spokesman for the veterans group AMVETS, said the annual ceremony at Arlington is "the ideal place for the president to observe Memorial Day. However, his choice to honor our fallen at another national cemetery as other presidents have done is entirely appropriate."

In an e-mail, Agg accused some people of using the day "as an opportunity to score cheap political points on the backs of our veterans and in doing so dishonor them and distract from the true meaning and purpose of Memorial Day."

Jack Straw 05-31-10 04:39 PM

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I voted for Obama, I support his policies for the most part (sans immigration "reform" amnesty), and I like him a lot personally. However, during a time where he is sending men and women to die for their country, I find this decision to border on disgraceful. He owes it to the families who lost loved ones to pay his respects and remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for country.

MrX 05-31-10 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Straw (Post 10187228)
I voted for Obama, I support his policies for the most part (sans immigration "reform" amnesty), and I like him a lot personally. However, during a time where he is sending men and women to die for their country, I find this decision to border on disgraceful. He owes it to the families who lost loved ones to pay his respects and remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for country.

Yeah, inviting the families who have lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan that are buried at Abraham Lincoln to the ceremony and going on to the shuttle buses to speak with them after the event was canceled is such a slap in the face-rolleyes-

What's really disgraceful about this whole thing, and I'll admit I'm biased since my grandfather is buried at Abraham Lincoln, is how these people are making it seem like being buried at Arlington is somehow nobler and deserving of more respect than being buried at any other national cemetery.


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