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Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

And require the women to be on birth control? Seriously, why?

Just had a gal come in with some nice tattoos on her face and said that now that she was pregnant she qualifies for public assistance housing. And she had a nice marijuana smell coming off of her. But she tired of living with her mom (the tattoo gal is probably around 28, looks around 40), so she can finally get her own place. She's already on welfare since she has never had a job.

The questions came to me:

Why don't we require drug testing to get welfare?
Why don't we require birth control for welfare?
Who would fuck this beast?
Why does our system reward people like this?


So what are the reasons against it? I'll even go with, "Only drug test if they've been on welfare over a year."
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

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Why don't we require birth control for welfare?
A woman's body is her own!
What's next, government imposed sterilization for the inferior class?? We don't want inferior minority genetics mixing with WASPs.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

I agree, we need to figure out more ways to stop siphoning tax dollars into kvrdave's pockets.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

Originally Posted by kvrdave View Post
And require the women to be on birth control? Seriously, why?
You're a conservative Republican and you're asking this question? You might as well ask why both parties don't simply tell the Catholics to go fuck themselves, not to mention any number of other religious groups.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

I'm not sure kvrdave is a conservative.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

People only do drugs because the upper class exists.
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Those solutions sound expensive. I'm guessing you want to raise taxes to implement them, right? Classic kvrdave
I would assume the amount of people bounced from the social programs may cancel out "some" of the cost of the tests.

That being said, this seems like the type of expansion of government that some here would be against.

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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

I think it would be easier to find out if people have cable/satellite TV. Take away assistance in that case and you'll remove a lot of the chaff.
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Originally Posted by starman9000 View Post
I think it would be easier to find out if people have cable/satellite TV. Take away assistance in that case and you'll remove a lot of the chaff.
That could work, but then is the government on the hook to buy people out of their Satellite contracts?
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

Why don't we require drug testing to get welfare?
Because many people will complain because they are entitled, and I'm sure someone will call it racist, and the gov't doesn't want to deal with that. I have been asking this for years, and no one in gov't wants to provide a serious answer.

Why don't we require birth control for welfare?
Because people will complain that it is their body, and the gov't should have to pay for their irresponsible choices! There is also that whole utilization of abortion clinics come in....it is a favorite alternative for many people who don't practice safe/responsible sex practices. Oh, and because people will complain it is racist.

Why does our system reward people like this?
Because Washington lacks a spine and no one wants to be known as the one who screwed the poor people. In reality the system was set up with good intentions....and some people bastardized it. Most people in the system use it the right way, but the minority that doesn't tends to be multi-generational and a complete drain on the system. Oh, and because if there were any major reforms, people would complain that the changes were racist.

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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

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You're a conservative Republican and you're asking this question? You might as well ask why both parties don't simply tell the Catholics to go fuck themselves, not to mention any number of other religious groups.
Fair enough. Show me where you have attended mass 20% of the time in the past year, and you don't have to be on the pill. Seriously, the people that are the problem could not handle going to a place where they are expected to shower before attending. They couldn't wake up in time to attend a Sunday service. This is honestly not a big dea.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

I'm so sick of poor people living in huge houses, driving Cadillacs, and watching 50" televisions ON MY DIME!
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

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I would assume the amount of people bounced from the social programs may cancel out "some" of the cost of the tests.

That being said, this seems like the type of expansion of government that some here would be against.
Get me expansion of government that only requires a new rule in an existing program and cuts costs at the same time, and I will be for it. This isn't expansion of government, it is the implementation of common sense rules that help the efficiency of a program and allow it to help those it is intended to.
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I agree, we need to figure out more ways to stop siphoning tax dollars into kvrdave's pockets.
I will be very upfront about this. When Democrats are in charge, I make more money, as I have invested in things that make money when poor people get more government money. When Bush was first elected he cut Section 8 funding and it affected me. I still agreed with what he did, even though it cost me money, because the changes needed to be done. But I knew we'd have a new president some day, and I continued to invest in things that make money when the economy is poor and welfare requirements are relaxed. It has paid off.

If I were to truly vote my checking account, I would vote Democrat every time, because they love a dependent populace, and I accept their vouchers.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

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I'm so sick of poor people living in huge houses, driving Cadillacs, and watching 50" televisions ON MY DIME!
I am merely tired of them using a system that allows them a decent lifestyle (not by your standard or mine) without having to do anything to benefit society. When you have generations of welfare people who have found ways to live comfortably on welfare, and have passed the knowledge to their kids, I think it is time to encourage them to get off of public assistance. Requiring them to show up to the unemployment office, or any other office by 9 am five days a week sounds like a simple damn thing to keep getting assistance, but we don't dare ask them to. But then we somehow hope they get off the system when they have no skills other than to know what they are entitled to.
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

Everyone has a sense of entitlement these days combined with people who feel that stopping welfare to people who keep having kids they can't afford is cruel, unfair to women, etc.

At another forum, everyone was discussing the Obamacare bill and if abortion should be covered. Someone argued that it shouldn't and one poster claimed that if that were to happen then the rights of women will continue to be stripped away and that pretty soon they won't be able to vote.

This particular poster comes off very educated and well spoken but becomes very reactionary when it comes to questioning any liberal policies. Alot of people are like that in the US and if any members of congress were to try to pass it, I'm sure many in the media would put a very negative spin on it.

I remember one acquaintance of mine, back in the day, who was married with one kid, and living with her single mother in a 2 bedroom house. She was talking about how she was trying to get pregnant again and I asked her if it wasn't good to wait till her and her husband are more financially able and living on their own. She looked at me like I was crazy and said, "What!? I'm not going to wait till I'm 27 to have another kid. So-and-so needs a little brother or sister. Just because a couple is not rich doesn't mean they shouldn't start a family..."
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I am merely tired of them using a system that allows them a decent lifestyle (not by your standard or mine) without having to do anything to benefit society. When you have generations of welfare people who have found ways to live comfortably on welfare, and have passed the knowledge to their kids, I think it is time to encourage them to get off of public assistance. Requiring them to show up to the unemployment office, or any other office by 9 am five days a week sounds like a simple damn thing to keep getting assistance, but we don't dare ask them to. But then we somehow hope they get off the system when they have no skills other than to know what they are entitled to.
+1

We have to raise our expectations as a society before those people (the chronic abusers of the system) would bother to even notice. Even then, I'm pretty sure we'd need to cut them off before they bother to do anything. I bet if they got free booze and a vacation for showing up at a certain place at 8am for a week, they'd find a way. Unfortunately they take a vacation every day the rest of us work and pay for them.
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I had an econ professor that went into this topic last year. His explanation was that when you cut off assistance for these types of reasons, at least some percentage of the people affected will commit more crimes. The true goal, according to him, was to provide enough so that deadbeats could get by without turning to crime, while keeping the level of assistance low enough that it would motivate some of them to become productive members of society. I don't necessarily agree with the mindset or philosophy, but it made logical sense as an explanation.
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I'm so sick of poor people living in huge houses, driving Cadillacs, and watching 50" televisions ON MY DIME!
I'm not sure if your kidding.. but to piggyback off of this.. my wife who worked retail in a pretty lousy neighborhood would see people plop up nice steaks, seafood, candy and other things that are not a necessity and then they ring it up and the people whip out the food stamps.. fucking BS.. how are these people eating better than we are??
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Waaaah, Billy got a cookie and I didn't!!!
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Re: Why is it that we don't drug test for public assistance?

The real question is how much of our economic waste goes to tattoo face potheads vs the waste going to banks and the ultra rich
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Everyone has a sense of entitlement these days combined with people who feel that stopping welfare to people who keep having kids they can't afford is cruel, unfair to women, etc.

At another forum, everyone was discussing the Obamacare bill and if abortion should be covered. Someone argued that it shouldn't and one poster claimed that if that were to happen then the rights of women will continue to be stripped away and that pretty soon they won't be able to vote.

This particular poster comes off very educated and well spoken but becomes very reactionary when it comes to questioning any liberal policies. Alot of people are like that in the US and if any members of congress were to try to pass it, I'm sure many in the media would put a very negative spin on it.

I remember one acquaintance of mine, back in the day, who was married with one kid, and living with her single mother in a 2 bedroom house. She was talking about how she was trying to get pregnant again and I asked her if it wasn't good to wait till her and her husband are more financially able and living on their own. She looked at me like I was crazy and said, "What!? I'm not going to wait till I'm 27 to have another kid. So-and-so needs a little brother or sister. Just because a couple is not rich doesn't mean they shouldn't start a family..."
Poor people have been having kids since the dawn of time. Why is it now that people talk about "affording" kids? There's something to be said for having kids when you are younger and have the energy to take care of them versus waiting until you're 40 and more financially secure.
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So much pent up animosity towards these slackers, lowlifes, and unfortunates. If these people didn't get the pittance we gave them, they'd still be slackers, lowlifes, and unfortunates. If they didn't get this assistance, they'd bilk the system some other way and probably in criminal enterprises.
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The real question is how much of our economic waste goes to tattoo face potheads vs the waste going to banks and the ultra rich
Shut up, socialist!
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