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Old 04-16-10, 09:54 AM
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Originally Posted by CRM114 View Post
For example??
Well, for one thing, he already raised taxes 156% on those who smoke (which is predominantly your poor and working class) 2 weeks after entering office.

But as for next year, there are 7 likely areas (some don't kick in until 2014) of tax increases for those making under $250K.
http://www.atr.org/obama-sign-massiv...working-a4681#
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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I read an interesting fact yesterday. In 1913, the first tax form and instructions totaled 4 pages. Today's is 176 pages. The tax code has 3.7M words. Great for lawyers and accountants.
it's probably all the farm subsidiary stuff
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
Well, for one thing, he already raised taxes 156% on those who smoke (which is predominantly your poor and working class) 2 weeks after entering office.

But as for next year, there are 7 likely areas (some don't kick in until 2014) of tax increases for those making under $250K.
http://www.atr.org/obama-sign-massiv...working-a4681#
Which is why, of course, Obama went from saying this during the election:

I can make a firm pledge: Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase—not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.
to this last week:

One thing we have not done is raise income taxes on families making less than $250,000. That's another promise we've kept.
Spot the difference!
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
Well, for one thing, he already raised taxes 156% on those who smoke (which is predominantly your poor and working class) 2 weeks after entering office.

But as for next year, there are 7 likely areas (some don't kick in until 2014) of tax increases for those making under $250K.
http://www.atr.org/obama-sign-massiv...working-a4681#
I hear you on the tobacco tax. But that's hardly an Obama-socialist move. It's a bipartisan copout done by nearly every taxing authority in the country.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Wait, I thought no one was talking about higher taxes?

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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

I never said it was a Obama-socialist move nor did I claim it was a partisan act. He still signed the bill and therefore violated his pledge. It makes him a typical politician.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

OK, but don't pull something stretching.
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Providing a true fact is now 'stretching?' Sheesh.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Finding a tax that most Americans support wholeheartedly that effects a minority of people who are blamed for escalating health care costs? I'd call that a stretch to pin that as some nefarious, underhanded tax by The Obama.

(And most know how I feel about any laws vilifying the LEGAL product tobacco.)

Why not bring up the tanning tax?
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

I haven't heard about the FSA cap until now. I wonder if they will cap that for day care expenses too.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

Again, I never termed it any of those things. You asked for an example. I gave you one with no commentary attached. And others (which included the tanning tax if you clicked on the link).
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We talked about the FSA cap in the Health Care threads. Didn't you read all 8000 pages of those?

I hadn't heard about the HSA change
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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We talked about the FSA cap in the Health Care threads. Didn't you read all 8000 pages of those?

I hadn't heard about the HSA change
I was too busy looking up how Singapore does it to read every post.
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Providing a true fact is now 'stretching?' Sheesh.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

That is a great deal. Find a way to require Congress to do their own taxes. There are a lot in the House that I would love to see try. Several still get it wrong when they hire professionals.

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Okay, let's just all admit this for CRM. Obama is a great president with shining successes at every turn, and is a tax lowering president. Feel better?
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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Okay, let's just all admit this for CRM. Obama is a great president with shining successes at every turn, and is a tax lowering president. Feel better?
Great president? Check. In fact, he has the best "Presidenting-to-Bowling-Ability" ratio in history.

Shining successes at every turn? I'll forgive the Olympics thing. Hard to ignore the natural glow he displays when he succeeds, or turns his face in the right light. Check.

Tax lowering? Shoot... I'm sure he'd do away with taxes completely if he could. Check.

Yes, I do feel better!
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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OK, but don't pull something stretching.
Seeing how much you write about your love for all things Obama, we are mostly concerned that YOU are doing the proper stretching.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

I don't love Obama but the difference between he and his predecessor is quite striking. And I'm just trying to "keep it real" amidst all the bluster in this forum.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

My family is paying both state and fed to the tune of 1K, whereas we've broken even each of the last five years or so; my wife is working 30 hours a week at minimum wage with no benefits, and my taxable income next year will go up because of the FSA changes and not being able to put OTC stuff on it. I work in the healthcare industry and my company will be directly affected to the tune of millions of dollars over the next few years. I definitely don't love Obama and yes, the difference is striking, only in my opinion and for my family, for the worse.
I'm not better off now than we were five years ago, and the places I am, it's not due to the federal government. I do think there were some improvements with the credit card bill but I'm also not sure that that wasn't overreaching the federal authority.
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How is Obama responsible for your wife working at minimum wage with no benefits and your company not offering a decent benefit package. And you want a tax credit for buying over the counter meds?
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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I don't love Obama but the difference between he and his predecessor is quite striking.
I agree. But not in the same way that you think they different.
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My family is paying both state and fed to the tune of 1K, whereas we've broken even each of the last five years or so; my wife is working 30 hours a week at minimum wage with no benefits, and my taxable income next year will go up because of the FSA changes and not being able to put OTC stuff on it. I work in the healthcare industry and my company will be directly affected to the tune of millions of dollars over the next few years. I definitely don't love Obama and yes, the difference is striking, only in my opinion and for my family, for the worse.
I'm not better off now than we were five years ago, and the places I am, it's not due to the federal government. I do think there were some improvements with the credit card bill but I'm also not sure that that wasn't overreaching the federal authority.
Is 1k your total tax bill?
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

What way do I think they are different? It doesn't get any worse than Bush/Cheney. The whole world is better off.
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Re: Tax Day rhetoric aside, Americans' bills are lower

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What way do I think they are different? It doesn't get any worse than Bush/Cheney.
I used to think that too.

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