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RoyalTea 04-12-10 09:45 AM

US government accepting voluntary payments to reduce debt
 
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this is a great idea for people who don't want to see the government reduce spending.

put your money where your mouth is.

wendersfan 04-12-10 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTea (Post 10100380)
this is a great idea for people who don't want to see the government reduce spending.

And by that I guess you mean almost every single person in the country?

RoyalTea 04-12-10 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10100392)
And by that I guess you mean almost every single person in the country?

You think every single person in the country doesn't want to see the government reduce spending?

JasonF 04-12-10 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wendersfan (Post 10100392)
And by that I guess you mean almost every single person in the country?

Actually, I believe most people favor slashing foreign aid. Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

Red Dog 04-12-10 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100436)
Actually, I believe most people favor slashing foreign aid. Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

It was 10%. Sorry. I didn't go into line by line detail. I guess I shouldn't have figured that some DVDTalkers could have assumed that it was simply a rough estimate and starting point (in a casual discussion forum) rather than the entirety of the proposal.

As for this, I fully expect JasonF to be the first to donate. Start with some of that money you throw at Illinois Democrats outside your district. ;)

wendersfan 04-12-10 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTea (Post 10100400)
You think every single person in the country doesn't want to see the government reduce spending?

No, almost every single person:


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JasonF 04-12-10 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 10100442)
As for this, I fully expect JasonF to be the first to donate. Start with some of that money you throw at Illinois Democrats outside your district. ;)

Why do you think I would be the first? There are posters here who spend far more time than I do talking about how our debt is unsustainable. This is their chance to reduce that debt.

Red Dog 04-12-10 10:24 AM

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I notice that poll doesn't say federal gov't spending. Now I can assume that's what it means, but your carbon blob can't do that. I think you'd get very different answers on education and other things if you specifically had 'federal' in there.


edit: nevermind....I see it says federal later on in the question.

Red Dog 04-12-10 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100456)
Why do you think I would be the first? There are posters here who spend far more time than I do talking about how our debt is unsustainable. This is their chance to reduce that debt.

Because you believe in more aggressive taxation to alleviate the debt. This is your chance to voluntarily tax yourself to help alleviate the debt.

In contrast, I don't think taxes should be raised, so why should I voluntarily tax myself. I believe in reducing spending to alleviate the debt.

But you are right about one thing - others talk about unsustainable debt more. Obama and his fans don't seem to care about that....well, so long as he gets his 8 years. Save the problem for the next guy and so on.

Superboy 04-12-10 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100456)
Why do you think I would be the first? There are posters here who spend far more time than I do talking about how our debt is unsustainable. This is their chance to reduce that debt.

It's unsustainable because if we continue on this path, we can't pay off the debt. In coming years we're going to have huge tax increases, and because the economy has taken a huge hit already it's going to slow down again. And then you'll see another Republican president running on a pro-business platform to slash taxes and start the debt cycle all over again.

Larry C. 04-12-10 10:31 AM

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How about collecting on the debts others countries owe us? Thats a good start.

CRM114 04-12-10 10:32 AM

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Is this deja vu? Wasn't this posted like 6 times already?

It's like the local school district. The citizenry is up in arms about the continued school tax increases year after year and they demand action. But then when the school district proposes their slashed budget, auditoriums are filled with angry citizens DEMANDING that the cut programs and staff be reinstated. :lol: A lot of bluster but no conviction.

wendersfan 04-12-10 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 10100458)
I notice that poll doesn't say federal gov't spending. Now I can assume that's what it means, but your carbon blob can't do that. I think you'd get very different answers on education and other things if you specifically had 'federal' in there.

That's a good point, but I have a better one, IMO. Almost all polls of this sort 'rotate' poll questions, so respondents aren't asked questions in the same order. However, doing a little research on YouGov, I found out they are an internet only polling group. This being the case it's very likely that the respondents filled out the poll with the questions in the same order. Since several of the first programs listed are Federal programs and strongly identified as such in the minds of the American people, I find it very hard to believe that, in that context, people would not assume that each category referred to Federal spending.

kvrdave 04-12-10 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100436)
Actually, I believe most people favor slashing foreign aid. Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

30%. Wow, that is a lot to cut. No way they could live with the same amount as they did in what....2007? :lol:

It's draconian. We wouldn't ask anyone to live with that amount.

Th0r S1mpson 04-12-10 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 10100625)
30%. Wow, that is a lot to cut. No way they could live with the same amount as they did in what....2007?

Ouch.

Supermallet 04-12-10 03:08 PM

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I thought that this was going to be a program where you donate to the government and then they forgive debts you owe. I would do that. I pay $1,000 and in turn the government has a creditor forgive $2,000. :)

Superboy 04-12-10 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave (Post 10100625)
30%. Wow, that is a lot to cut. No way they could live with the same amount as they did in what....2007? :lol:

It's draconian. We wouldn't ask anyone to live with that amount.

That's the trouble with budgets. When they're starting to shrink, it's usually because of bankruptcy.

4KRG 04-12-10 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dog (Post 10100462)
I believe in reducing spending to alleviate the debt.

You sir are a fsucking genius! What year are you running for office? I think after Obama, just about ANYONE (with the exception of Palin) is electable :)

The US is clearly on an unsustainable path, health care may be the final straw and if it isn't, cap and trade will be :(

I pay enough, I would ask nicely that anyone in the 47% that didn't pay shit, but instead gained money from credits, kindly send that money back. Yeah, I know, it's already spent on weed, beer, lotto tickets and smokes :(

and also that UAW workers send in the difference of their paycheck between what the market would pay for their job and what the union has inflated their pay to :)

Rockmjd23 04-12-10 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100436)
Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

That number doesn't sound exact enough so let's not cut anything!

Supermallet 04-12-10 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100436)
Actually, I believe most people favor slashing foreign aid. Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

I still love how you talk about budget cuts like only a TOTALLY CRAZY person could even conceive of them. :lol:

BKenn01 04-12-10 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100436)
Actually, I believe most people favor slashing foreign aid. Plus, as a thread here proved the other day, a significant number of DVDTalkers believe we can just slash our budget by some arbitrary percentage (I think 30% was the number being thrown around).

I will go for 50%


Originally Posted by 4KRG (Post 10101372)
I think after Obama, just about ANYONE (with the exception of Palin) is electable :)

Well if we had Palin, at least we would have some eye candy to stay pissed at all the time:eyebrow:

classicman2 04-12-10 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 10100456)
Why do you think I would be the first? There are posters here who spend far more time than I do talking about how our debt is unsustainable. This is their chance to reduce that debt.

Do you disagree with the fact that it is unstainable?

classicman2 04-12-10 08:26 PM

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Reality - there's no hope. It will take something of catastrophic proportions to get folks to put enough pressure on the congress & the WH to do something about the debt.

BKenn01 04-12-10 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman2 (Post 10101706)
Reality - there's no hope. It will take something of catastrophic proportions to get folks to put enough pressure on the congress & the WH to do something about the debt.

Yep, and that includes the Tea Party gang. Start talking about cutting SS and Medicare and see how serious they are about reducing government.......

JasonF 04-12-10 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10101621)
I still love how you talk about budget cuts like only a TOTALLY CRAZY person could even conceive of them. :lol:

No, I talk about them like they are not the be-all and end-all of a solution to the budget crisis. If our budget is overweight, then budget cuts are the equivalent of cutting calories. If all you do is cut calories -- without adding exercise -- then you're not serious about losing weight.


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