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Old 03-25-10, 01:52 PM
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California will have ballot initiative to legalize recreational marijuana.

If I lived in California, I would vote Yea!

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Calif. voters could legalize pot in Nov. election

Mar 25, 2010 5:35 AM (ET)

By CATHY BUSSEWITZ

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - When California voters head to the polls in November, they will decide whether the state will make history again - this time by legalizing the recreational use of marijuana for adults.

The state was the first to legalize medicinal marijuana use, with voters passing it in 1996. Since then, 14 states have followed California's lead, even though marijuana remains illegal under federal law.

"This is a watershed moment in the decades-long struggle to end failed marijuana prohibition in this country," said Stephen Gutwillig, California director for the Drug Policy Alliance. "We really can't overstate the significance of Californians being the first to have the opportunity to end this public policy disaster."

California is not alone in the push to expand legal use of marijuana. Legislators in Rhode Island, another state hit hard by the economic downturn, are considering a plan to decriminalize possession of an ounce or less by anyone 18 or older.

A proposal to legalize the sale and use of marijuana in Washington was recently defeated in that state's legislature, though lawmakers there did expand the pool of medical professionals that could prescribe the drug for medicinal use.

And a group in Nevada is pushing an initiative that marks the state's fourth attempt in a decade to legalize the drug.

The California secretary of state's office certified the initiative for the general election ballot Wednesday after it was determined that supporters had gathered enough valid signatures.

The initiative would allow those 21 years and older to possess up to one ounce of marijuana, enough to roll dozens of marijuana cigarettes. Residents also could grow their own crop of the plant in gardens measuring up to 25 square feet.

The proposal would ban users from ingesting marijuana in public or smoking it while minors are present. It also would make it illegal to possess the drug on school grounds or drive while under its influence.


Local governments would decide whether to permit and tax marijuana sales.

Proponents of the measure say legalizing marijuana could save the state $200 million a year by reducing public safety costs. At the same time, it could generate tax revenue for local governments.

A Field Poll taken in April found a slim majority of California voters supported legalizing and taxing marijuana to help bridge the state budget deficit.

Those who grow and sell it illegally fear legalization would drive down the price and force them to compete against corporate marijuana cultivators.

Other opponents view marijuana as a "gateway drug" that, when used by young people, could lead them to try other, harder drugs. They worry that legalization would persuade more people to try it, worsening the nation's drug culture.

"We are quite concerned that by legalizing marijuana, it will definitely lower the perception of risk, and we will see youth use go through the roof," said Aimee Hendle, a spokeswoman for Californians for Drug Free Youth.

The initiative is the second proposal to qualify for the November ballot. The other is an $11.1 billion water bond measure championed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the state Legislature.
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Doesn't matter. The current administration has already demonstrated how they feel about pot use and the Supremacy Clause.
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It's a start in the right direction as to marijuana at least.

Millions and millions a year jailed over a naturally occurring plants and flowers... It's so bizarre, yet it reveals the power of propaganda and social conditioning in that people look upon such a scenario as normal and natural, even the 'right/moral thing to do'.

What a strange world we live in.
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Would a 1' x 25' patch work?
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Would a 1' x 25' patch work?
A single plant would provide you more than you could ever need.
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A single plant would provide you more than you could ever need.
Speak for yourself you!

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If it turned out well. You'd need to hedge your bets and you'd only be limited to a few growing months around here.
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If it turned out well. You'd need to hedge your bets and you'd only be limited to a few growing months around here.
I thought we were talking about California.
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We were then I drifted...
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We were then I drifted...
Put the bong down and focus.
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Was marijuana addiction covered in the health care bill?
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There is no such thing.
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The politicians probably love this. We won't care how much worse it keeps getting here if everybody's stoned.
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You're under the impression people aren't stoned now?

OHHH... you mean drugs not prescribed by doctors that big pharma doesn't make billions off of
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Pot is dangerous and should be stopped at all costs, and I'll drink a toast to anyone who opposes this initiative.
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One of the reasons I would like to see it passed is to see the fallout between the states and the feds. They need to get that resolved.
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It won't pass. The anti crowd will get on TV and lie like they always do and scare granny into voting against it. I can't believe people believe marijuana is an addictive substance. (Yes, there may be some mild psychological addiction but nothing physical like cigarettes or heroin.)
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It won't pass. The anti crowd will get on TV and lie like they always do and scare granny into voting against it. I can't believe people believe marijuana is an addictive substance. (Yes, there may be some mild psychological addiction but nothing physical like cigarettes or heroin.)
This implies that the other side does not lie about things they want.

I think it will pass.
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What's to lie about? They want weed legalized.
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As a Libertarian I totally support legalizing pot (and I've never even smoked it!). I think people should be able to do what they want with it whether it be grow it or smoke it or whatever and the gov't should just stay the hell out of it. However if it is addictive (which I guess is debatable.. I thought it was) and/or people smoke it enough to get lung cancer or whatnot I do have concerns about taxpayers being on the hook for the medical care. If people want to take risks they should do so at their own peril.
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What's to lie about? They want weed legalized.
I'm not talking about just this issue. If you lie on other issues, it is tough to be "holier than thou" when the other side does it on your issue. Oregon just did that with their new tax. Every issue that gets put on a ballot ends up with one side that lies minimum. Often it ends up with two.
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As a Libertarian I totally support legalizing pot (and I've never even smoked it!). I think people should be able to do what they want with it whether it be grow it or smoke it or whatever and the gov't should just stay the hell out of it. However if it is addictive (which I guess is debatable.. I thought it was) and/or people smoke it enough to get lung cancer or whatnot I do have concerns about taxpayers being on the hook for the medical care. If people want to take risks they should do so at their own peril.
There is no evidence that it is addictive, but the guys I know that use it, use it often. But that's just my brother-in-law. There are likely many true recreational users.
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As a Libertarian I totally support legalizing pot (and I've never even smoked it!). I think people should be able to do what they want with it whether it be grow it or smoke it or whatever and the gov't should just stay the hell out of it. However if it is addictive (which I guess is debatable.. I thought it was) and/or people smoke it enough to get lung cancer or whatnot I do have concerns about taxpayers being on the hook for the medical care. If people want to take risks they should do so at their own peril.
Just like we deal with alcohol abuse.
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Originally Posted by General Zod View Post
As a Libertarian I totally support legalizing pot (and I've never even smoked it!). I think people should be able to do what they want with it whether it be grow it or smoke it or whatever and the gov't should just stay the hell out of it. However if it is addictive (which I guess is debatable.. I thought it was) and/or people smoke it enough to get lung cancer or whatnot I do have concerns about taxpayers being on the hook for the medical care. If people want to take risks they should do so at their own peril.
lung cancer or whatnot? addictive being debatable?

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There is no evidence that it is addictive, but the guys I know that use it, use it often. But that's just my brother-in-law. There are likely many true recreational users.
there's addiction and then there's coping
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