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Old 05-27-10, 03:20 PM
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

Alright, that's a valid point. If Bush (while President) had made a deal with McCain to drop out in exchange for an office the final year of his presidency, I'm sure it would have been a stink.
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He questioned whether it would be a violation of the law. If you read the text of the law, it clearly would be.
Not so, and I can point you to any number of experts -- most notably Richard Painter, who was President Bush's chief ethics lawyer, but there are plenty of others -- who agree that nothing the administration is alleged to have done in this matter is illegal.

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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

I don't think anything illegal happened but either Sestak is lying about the whole thing or he's protecting someone in the Whitehouse from a black eye. So I don't think it was illegal but perhaps unethical - which is really what I would expect from a Chicago based Whitehouse. Even if it was shown to be illegal this administration has made it clear only some laws are really laws and they make it up as they go.
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

Historically, impeachment is a political statement. A Congress looks for something to impeach a President with to get rid of them. It's not that hard if you keep looking. Andrew Johnson's impeachment was like this - the Congress was just looking for a way to be rid of an ineffective president, and when they got it, they went for it. We all know Clinton's impeachment was another such political statement.

So it's possible someone will try to impeach Obama as a political statement. But it would take quite Obama doing a really, really bad job (or like Johnson, vetoing even majority legislation and being a general PITA). It would take a majority of (R)s and Obama sucking it up pretty badly, to ever get to an impeachment. Especially since you need House support for it. It's not going to happen, of course, with the current (D) control.

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Old 05-28-10, 02:53 PM
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

Well, who did Obama put up to this "impeachable offense?"

An impeached President.

You can't make this stuff up.

White House Asked Bill Clinton to Urge Sestak to Drop Out of Senate Race
Published May 28, 2010

At the behest of the White House, former President Bill Clinton urged Rep. Joe Sestak to drop out of a Senate primary, according to a White House report. (AP)

The White House asked former President Bill Clinton to talk to Rep. Joe Sestak about the possibility of obtaining a senior position in the Obama administration if he would drop out of the Democratic primary race against establishment-backed Sen. Arlen Specter, the Obama administration said in a report released Friday morning.

But the report, by White House Counsel Robert Bauer, concluded that "allegations of improper conduct rest on factual errors and lack a basis in the law."

Batting down allegations that the White House dangled the secretary of Navy position in front of Sestak, the report said that Sestak was offered executive branch positions on advisory boards that were uncompensated.

One of the jobs Clinton specifically discussed with Sestak was the president's intelligence advisory board. But a White House official said the plan always was for Sestak to remain in the House, and he couldn't have served in the House and on the president's intelligence advisory board.

The report also described the Clinton conversations as informal and not tied to any precise job offer since, as a former president, Clinton could not guarantee Sestak anything.

Clinton initiated conversations with Sestak at the behest of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who was Clinton's political director when he was president. As president, Clinton promoted Sestak to vice admiral and made him his director of defense policy. Sestak was also a loyal and tireless supporter of Hillary Clinton's run for the presidency in 2008.

In a written statement, Sestak said Clinton called him last summer to express concerns over his jumping into the Senate primary, "and the value of having me stay in the House of Representatives because of my military background."

Sestak said he told Clinton that "my only consideration in getting into the Senate race ... was whether it was the right thing to do for Pennsylvania working families and not any offer. The former president said he knew I'd say that, and the conversation moved on to other subjects," Sestak said.

The White House report disputed any suggestion that there was "impropriety" in Clinton's discussion with Sestak over possible alternatives to his Senate candidacy.

"There have been numerous, reported instances in the past when prior administrations -- both Democratic and Republican, and motivated by the same goals -- discussed alternative paths to service for qualified individuals also considering campaigns for public office," the report read. "Such discussions are fully consistent with the relevant law and ethical requirements."

The report comes one day after President Obama insisted "nothing improper" happened with Sestak. On that same day, Obama had lunch with Clinton.

"This is punishable by prison. This is a felony," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who has been leading the charge for more details on the allegation.

"This is about the White House. This is not about Congressman Sestak," Issa said, adding that he wants to know what Clinton was empowered to say. "They've answered a question and it begs many more answers," he said. "We want elections not to be appointments."

Sestak's opponent in the general election for the Senate seat, Republican Pat Toomey, questioned why it took so long for this explanation.

"If this explanation is as innocent as it looks, I sure don't know why it took three months to say so," Toomey said in a statement. "As I've said many times, this job offer issue is not my focus, and it's not where Pennsylvanians want the focus of the campaign to be."

Critics say the Sestak job offer may have violated the part of the U.S. code that says: "Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation...appointment...provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress...to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity...or in connection with any primary election ...shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...p-senate-race/

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Old 05-28-10, 03:28 PM
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

The report comes one day after President Obama insisted "nothing improper" happened with Sestak. On that same day, Obama had lunch with Clinton.
Obviously they had to meet to make sure they were both presenting the same story. Oy vey..
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

So when did Bubba become the Luca Brasi of ObamaCo?
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Holy shit.

<img src=http://usedbooksblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/obama-change-logo.jpg>

Just shocking for a Chicago politician. I think when he said "change" we assumed he meant for the better. What a douche.
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

What could Obama have possibly offered Clinton for him to accept it? I wonder...
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That's what I was thinking. A blowjob.
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Re: Will someone call for Obama's impeachment?

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What could Obama have possibly offered Clinton for him to accept it? I wonder...
Michelle?
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Watched a little news. Even though Sestak called it a high level job, The Obama Administration claims it was an unpaid advisory position. Hard to believe that. Yeah, you are going to lure a congressman away from the House or the Senate with an unpaid advisory position, and he will call it "high level."
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"Isn't it great, folks, that they found a guy who they know will commit perjury to carry the water here?"
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Watched a little news. Even though Sestak called it a high level job, The Obama Administration claims it was an unpaid advisory position. Hard to believe that. Yeah, you are going to lure a congressman away from the House or the Senate with an unpaid advisory position, and he will call it "high level."
And apparently, Stesak wasn't even eligible for the unpaid advisory position:

Sestak was ineligible for job Clinton offered

In a little-noticed passage Friday, the New York Times reported that Rep. Joe Sestak was not eligible for a place on the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board, the job he was reportedly offered by former President Bill Clinton. And indeed a look at the Board’s website reveals this restriction:

The Board consists of not more than 16 members appointed by the President from among individuals who are not employed by the Federal Government. Members are distinguished citizens selected from the national security, political, academic, and private sectors.

As a sitting member of Congress, Sestak was not eligible for the job. And since the White House intended for Sestak to remain in his House seat, he would not have been eligible for the board after this November’s elections, provided he was re-elected to the House.

The statement from White House counsel Robert Bauer did not specifically mention the intelligence board, but speaking to reporters Friday, Sestak said of his conversation with Clinton, “At the time, I heard the words ‘presidential board,’ and that’s all I heard…I heard ‘presidential board,’ and I think it was intel.” In addition, the Times reported that “people briefed on the matter said one option was an appointment” to the intelligence board. But the White House could not legally have placed Sestak on the board.

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They had 3+ months to come up with a good lie and this was the best they could do. Are they incompetent or do they just not care?
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And apparently, Stesak wasn't even eligible for the unpaid advisory position:



They had 3+ months to come up with a good lie and this was the best they could do. Are they incompetent or do they just not care?
They assume the sheeple won't notice and the reporters are all in awe of them.
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