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Old 03-16-10, 11:07 AM
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Re: Texas doesn't want you to know about Thomas Jefferson

I guess i don't understand the publishing world. Let Texas mess with itself and have a textbook publisher provide their books with their revisionist curriculum. But isn't this a golden opportunity for another textbook publisher to have another textbook available with a different curriculum for those districts that don't want the Texas curriculum?
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I believe the textbook world is a pretty small universe. I also think that Texas has a a lot of sway over the industry just as other large states like CA or NY.
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Re: Texas doesn't want you to know about Thomas Jefferson

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I think Texas should exercise its option & divide up into 5 states.
That would make the Senate a better place.
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8 Repubs would be added.
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Page not found. But saying good things about McCarthy isn't hard. He is remembered for what he is remembered for just like Nixon is remembered for Watergate. But Nixon did some very good things. I don't think that is much different that books that want to tell you all the "bad" things the founding fathers did.
I think it sends the right message. It's not that Americans supported communist infiltrators, it's that they disagreed with his methods. It's nice knowing that we dodged a bullet, but it's still a lesson to be learned.

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Originally Posted by classicman2 View Post
I think Texas should exercise its option & divide up into 5 states.
You know those five states would end up being named "North Texas", "South Texas", "East Texas", "West Texas", and the last one considered the "True" Texas.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...from-religion/

I saw this and figured it fit in here well. Governor Rick Perry and Senator Robert Nichols are re-allowing public displays for religious holidays. I have no issue with that, I just thought it was funny that Nichols uses Thomas Jefferson as something of a defense for it.

The more I read about Jefferson that more I like the guy, he was apparently a ridiculously flamboyant athiest that loved exotic food, decorating, furniture, dyed his hair, birdwatched and had a lisp. I wonder if republicans ever seen the irony in that.
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I have never seen Jefferson as flamboyantly atheist. He was merely thoughtful and well spoken about his beliefs. He might be more accurately described as a deist than atheist, though. He's a neat guy. Seemed to not be threatened by religion like so many today. Didn't mind giving it kudos when it deserved it or speaking against it when it deserved it. Too many people, and damn near every topic today, need to be all against or all for.

Reasonable people are lost in a discussion that just involves two sides screaming at each other.
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It is not like he was a Reverand or based his reasoning for equality on God or anything
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I've always cats like Thomas Jefferson as being agnostic more than anything else.

The simple truth is, the "founding fathers" were not Christians in the way we think of Christians today. "Born agains," fundamentalism, and evangelical Christianity are relatively recent phenomenons.
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Article here but it's all over the net.

I've highlighted a few of what I think are the more choice comments and changes. I shudder to think of what a Texas schoolbook will look like in another 10 years if this kind of nonsense continues.

I'm all for updating outdated curriculum. Some of these changes are fine (like the "personal responsibility" part). But going back and altering just because of a small group's personal bias does not seem in the best interest of the students. Especially if NO ONE on the board appears to be an expert on these topics.
Funny I saw this thread and thought it was going to be about Rick Perry's Merry Christmas bill allowing religious symbols again on school property. I bet the atheists are blowing their tops over that one. lol
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Re: Texas doesn't want you to know about Thomas Jefferson

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I've always cats like Thomas Jefferson as being agnostic more than anything else.

The simple truth is, the "founding fathers" were not Christians in the way we think of Christians today. "Born agains," fundamentalism, and evangelical Christianity are relatively recent phenomenons.
Well, they were Christians. If you mean they weren't the shallow strawman stereotypes of Christians as purveyed by vapid postmodern popular media, then yes.
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Only the slave-owning founding fathers were Christians, obviously.
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Re: Texas doesn't want you to know about Thomas Jefferson

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Isn't Texas going to secede from the United States?

Wish they'd hurry up and do it so we can put up that border fence.
LOL, it will never happen. If the Federal Government allowed Texas to secede, the other states would see how successful Texas would become, and they would all want to secede as well. Could you imagine Texans not having to pay any federal income tax, plus they already don't have any state income tax. If they abolished the minimum wage and kept the local government from over-regulating businesses, the economy would be booming. People would be flocking to Texas in droves.
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Re: Texas doesn't want you to know about Thomas Jefferson

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Funny I saw this thread and thought it was going to be about Rick Perry's Merry Christmas bill allowing religious symbols again on school property. I bet the atheists are blowing their tops over that one. lol
I'm not blowing my top (nor am I an atheist) but children can get plenty of religious indoctrination at home and church. Let's keep the schools neutral and let parents handle religion.
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Apparently Texans are idiots and want to ensure their children will be as well.
So, I guess only THREE things come from Texas now.

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Moo.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...from-religion/

I saw this and figured it fit in here well. Governor Rick Perry and Senator Robert Nichols are re-allowing public displays for religious holidays. I have no issue with that, I just thought it was funny that Nichols uses Thomas Jefferson as something of a defense for it.

The more I read about Jefferson that more I like the guy, he was apparently a ridiculously flamboyant athiest that loved exotic food, decorating, furniture, dyed his hair, birdwatched and had a lisp. I wonder if republicans ever seen the irony in that.
Well, the fact that he fathered children with women (black women, as a matter fact) cancels out your ironic point.
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The Founding Fathers were Christian, and set up a government that didn't sponsor any one religion over another. So who cares that they were Christian?
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Why not accommodate the governor and allow secession. What would it take?
Evidently, a civil war.

Oops...already been tried.

Make up your mind, why dontcha?

The main result of such an action would be that East Dylan's long-forgotten football program would be re-activated.

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LOL, it will never happen. If the Federal Government allowed Texas to secede, the other states would see how successful Texas would become, and they would all want to secede as well. Could you imagine Texans not having to pay any federal income tax, plus they already don't have any state income tax. If they abolished the minimum wage and kept the local government from over-regulating businesses, the economy would be booming. People would be flocking to Texas in droves.
Documented or undocumented?

Also remember the fast-track to Ol' Sparky...one more attractive feature to an independent Texas Republic.
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I have never seen Jefferson as flamboyantly atheist. He was merely thoughtful and well spoken about his beliefs. He might be more accurately described as a deist than atheist, though. He's a neat guy. Seemed to not be threatened by religion like so many today. Didn't mind giving it kudos when it deserved it or speaking against it when it deserved it. Too many people, and damn near every topic today, need to be all against or all for.

Reasonable people are lost in a discussion that just involves two sides screaming at each other.
My take also on Jefferson. A deist that didn't believe in Miracles or Jesus being divine. Like a lot of reasonable Christian scientists who take the Bible a lot more allegorically than modern fundies who take it much more literally.
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The main result of such an action would be that East Dylan's long-forgotten football program would be re-activated.
Now that sounds like it's worth it!
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I bet the atheists are blowing their tops over that one. lol
Atheists...
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The Founding Fathers were Christian, and set up a government that didn't sponsor any one religion over another. So who cares that they were Christian?
Not true. A number of the Founding Fathers were Deists.

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