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Old 03-04-10, 01:24 PM
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The debate over gun control is heating up at Starbucks.

Gun owners bearing arms have been gathering at various Starbucks locations in states where it's legal to do so in public. That's sparked protests from gun-control advocates and kudos from pro-gun groups.

The coffee chain says that its stores simply abide by state laws, and it is legal to carry weapons in 43 states. But businesses have the right to prohibit customers from carrying guns in their establishments despite state laws, and that's the crux of this particular dust-up.

"While we deeply respect the views of all of our customers, Starbucks' long-standing approach to this issue remains unchanged," the company said in a statement. "We comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve."

Starbucks (SBUX, Fortune 500) said the gun-toting gatherings first began at its stores in Northern California after two other chains, San Francisco-based Peet's Coffee & Tea and California Pizza Kitchen, put policies in place to prevent gun owners from carrying firearms in their stores.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence then wrote a letter to Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, urging Starbucks to enforce a similar policy. On its Web site, the Brady Campaign is soliciting supporters through an online petition that urges Starbucks to offer "espresso shots, not gunshots" and reverse its corporate policy.

On the other side of the debate, gun rights advocates are pleased with Starbucks' decision. Forum members of OpenCarry.org, a pro-gun Internet community with nearly 28,000 members, are posting that they are "impressed" with Starbucks' stance and will regularly buy the company's coffee to show support.

Starbucks said if it were to adopt a policy prohibiting customers from carrying guns in states where it is legal to bear firearms, that would require its employees to ask law abiding customers to leave stores, putting them in an unfair and potentially unsafe position.

The company also said the gun-control debate belongs in the legislatures and courts, not at its stores.

"Advocacy groups from both sides of this issue have chosen to use Starbucks as a way to draw attention to their positions," the company said. "As the public debate continues, we are asking all interested parties to refrain from putting Starbucks or our partners in the middle of this divisive issue."
http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/04/news...ks_gun_policy/

It is interesting to see how misinformed people are about open carry, including local police.
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So a business can tell you that you can't carry a legal firearm, but they can't tell you can smoke. Fucking hippies.
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So a business can tell you that you can't carry a legal firearm, but they can't tell you can smoke. Fucking hippies.
I would think being exposed to second hand bullets is more dangerous than second hand smoke.
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lol. 2nd hand bullets.
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I would think being exposed to second hand bullets is more dangerous than second hand smoke.
I'm sure all the hippies think that.
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I would think being exposed to second hand bullets is more dangerous than second hand smoke.
Not true! My extensive use of innocent bystanders as human shields have proven that second hand bullets are not as harmful as second hand smoke.
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Starbucks said if it were to adopt a policy prohibiting customers from carrying guns in states where it is legal to bear firearms, that would require its employees to ask law abiding customers to leave stores, putting them in an unfair and potentially unsafe position.
Is this guy coming in to kill everyone execution style, or to order coffee?

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Wouldn't it be simpler if they just passed a law saying you could walk around with your dick hanging out?
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Wouldn't it be simpler if they just passed a law saying you could walk around with your dick hanging out?
I'm sure the Democrats have proposed it numerous times.
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Wouldn't it be simpler if they just passed a law saying you could walk around with your dick hanging out?
It wouldn't help most of the people walking around armed.
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I guess I'll weigh in and say that everybody's an idiot in this situation (except the coffee shops). Some coffee shops don't allow guns. Some coffee shops do. The people who don't like guns go to the coffee shops that don't allow it. The people who do like guns go to the coffee shops that do allow it.

The free market works, and everybody should be happy. But they aren't?
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Wouldn't it be simpler if they just passed a law saying you could walk around with your dick hanging out?
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It wouldn't help most of the people walking around armed.
These are two of the most ignorant statements I've ever read here in this forum.

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Does no one remember the second amendment!?

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These are two of the most ignorant statements I've ever read here in this forum.
I agree with this, leaving out the .
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I do enjoy how a company that does nothing and decides to let local laws stand is "taking a stand" on the issue to people.
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Starbucks is allowing open carry in their stores. It is other stores that aren't. So let's not fuck Starbucks too hard in this case.
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It would be interesting to hear how many people would argue on the internet that this makes Starbucks the safest place to have a cup of coffee, but would feel uneasy if they were sitting there and someone walked in with a sidearm displayed.

I guess from this article, open carry is allowed in CA (I haven't checked local laws) but I sure don't see many guns around outside of law enforcement.

Because it is so uncommon, I believe it would make quite a few people uneasy. But obviously this would vary HUGELY by geography. If I were visiting Oklahoma or even eastern Washington it would illicit a much different response than in an urban setting. It might not be fair, but it's a bias I acknowledge. There are enough crazy people out that that, independent of statistics, my radar would be on more strongly for someone clearly bearing a lethal object than someone without. Their outward appearances would probably play a role as well. In fact, the fact that a gun is on display is probably not the biggest factor, but that this person chooses to display a gun. That of course is only one factor that would affect our prejudiced response.

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I agree with this, leaving out the .
I was laughing because typing something like that out was so ridiculous, so childish, it made me laugh.
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I'm not a gun "fan" and don't own any currently, though I've owned a few, and used to hunt quite successfully (30 years or so ago). But I think if you're going to have a Concealed Carry law, it should be THE LAW. Don't neuter the law (any law) with watered-down rules that make some places exempt, and others not-so-much. It's either the law, or it's not.

I've just spent 5 years in Texas on business [currently living back in the Detroit Metro area], and let me tell ya, boy, the Concealed Carry law is a good thing, and it can work damned good if legislators LET IT WORK. I say that from the point of view from someone who has lived in NYC (1980's), Chicago (for a year, just before Texas), Vegas, Louisville....but, mostly, DETROIT. I wish we had the permissiveness of the law here in Michigan that they have in Texas.

Fuck Starbucks. I hate them, anyway. Coffee's just a tool for me to wake up in the morning. As long as it isn't burned, Maxwell House is good enough for me....to the last drop.

Betcha didn't think a self-confessed Dem/lib would like the gun-carrying laws, didja?!? I'm actually fairly conservative at times. I take everything on an issue-by-issue basis. On the gun issue, it boils down to this for me (and if you replace "guns" with "drugs" in this statement, you get my stand on dope, too): The criminals don't give a damn about the laws, any laws, but especially GUN laws. If "regular folks" are allowed fair/unlimited/controlled access to their guns/weapons in public, only then will the populace have the option of arming themselves to protect their life/property against those who disregard the laws/rights of others.

Another Texas law I like alot is the ability to shoot to kill any intruder that enters your home unauthorized. If you're stealing my HDTV, your life is worth far less to me than my TV, and I'd be very happy to end your life to keep said TV. I know that people (mostly liberals) will come out of the woodwork now and say things like "Don't you have any respect for human life?!? Gosh, gasp, exasperation!!!" -lol- But the criminals would likely happily kill you if they had to, to get away with said HDTV, or just to get away, period, I think.
i live in NYC. the last thing most people want here is a concealed carry or open carry law. i know people with guns at home here and don't care. i just don't want people carrying weapons around in the street.

its not the 1980's anymore and even back then it would have been a bad idea
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i live in NYC. the last thing most people want here is a concealed carry or open carry law. i know people with guns at home here and don't care. i just don't want people carrying weapons around in the street.

its not the 1980's anymore and even back then it would have been a bad idea
But it's safe.

As an added bonus, anybody foolish enough to try and commit a crime would be shot down by a well-trained CCW holder.
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I can't imagine people wanting a country full of douchebags like this guy walking around. If I saw that dude come into Starbucks, I'd be out the door. If that sidearm isn't a phallic symbol for this moron, I don't know what is. "Look at me, I'm a tough guy. Check out the size of my package, mother fucker." Funny thing is if that guy left Wyoming and walked around like that in North Philly or the Bronx, he'd get punched in that jelly belly and get his sidearm taken from him.

Eat a piece of fruit, my man. And lay off the beer.

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I can't imagine people wanting a country full of douchebags like this guy walking around.
First of all, that's not nice. It's a really mean thing to say.

Second, taking his gun away will do little to diminish his douchebagocity. The dude would probably learn jujitsu and become a human weapon.
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First of all, that's not nice. It's a really mean thing to say.

Second, taking his gun away will do little to diminish his douchebagocity. The dude would probably learn jujitsu and become a human weapon.
and then get his ass kicked by a 67 year old on a bus
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I do enjoy how a company that does nothing and decides to let local laws stand is "taking a stand" on the issue to people.
Exactly.
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I think compared to Peet's and that other coffee shop, they are taking "a stand." They could easily take the other "stand" since state law seems to allow it.
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