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2010 House Elections

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The only way I see Mr. Dent losing is because of Jake Towne, and I don't see that as likely.
I think you are missing the appeal of Mayor Callahan.
Old 04-16-10, 03:22 PM
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Oh, and in the by the way department, most estimates now have the GOP gaining upwards of 30 seats and continuing to grow.

Maybe I should start believing just a bit in the impossible?

Nah, they still have plenty of time to screw it up.
As of today (not necessarily in October) I believe the Repubs would be 'saddened' if they only gained 30 seats.
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They better get more than 30. Gridlock is what I'm counting on. Hell, Obama should welcome it too - it would probably help his chances in '12.
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- it would probably help his chances in '12.
By that do you mean that he wouldn't do any more damage in 2011 thru 10/2012?
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I think Obama would operate better with a Republican house as well. Looking at the numbers, closing the gap by 60 still doesn't get the job done. It will take a landslide at the polls. That might work contrary to my first sentence. It would reveal that sentiment is clearly not with Obama and the Democrats.
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By that do you mean that he wouldn't do any more damage in 2011 thru 10/2012?
He'd be limited in what he can do - gives him an excuse.
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I think Obama would operate better with a Republican house as well. at the polls.
What is the logic behind that?

You assume that Americans want a year of 'do-nothing.'

On second thought - maybe the voters would feel sorry for him not being able to accomplish anything.
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What is the logic behind that?

You assume that Americans want a year of 'do-nothing.'
It worked wonders for Clinton.
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Just as the economy is making progress....
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It worked wonders for Clinton.
What worked 'wonders' for Clinton is that the public blamed the Repubs for the government shutdown in 1995.
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Exactly - he gets a scapegoat. He doesn't have that luxury now. Granted he really tried to blame the GOP with health care when it was people in his own party who were stopping him.
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Also the welfare reform act (the one that Clinton vetoed twice) came into being in 1995. This was very popular with the public. I don't see Obama signing another welfare reform act - or anything like that.
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And I don't see the Repubs nominating another Bob Dole.

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And I don't the Repubs nominating another Bob Dole.
They better hope someone outside the current conventional wisdom lot emerges.
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Exactly - he gets a scapegoat. He doesn't have that luxury now. Granted he really tried to blame the GOP with health care when it was people in his own party who were stopping him.
Health care passed.
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Health care passed.
Last time I checked, Obamacare passed. Where have you been?
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They better hope someone outside the current conventional wisdom lot emerges.
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You assume that Americans want a year of 'do-nothing.'
No, I assume that Obama's populist message will be better received if he operates in a more honestly bipartisan manner. I think that his first two years have done enough for his agenda that he can sacrifice a bit on the "progress" front in order to portray himself in that manner.

But I'm not sure the house really matters too much in the next presidential election. The economy will be showing positive signs( or shown well enough to be showing positive signs), combat troops will be out of Iraq... who exactly do the Republicans have on deck that will stand a chance?
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Last time I checked, Obamacare passed. Where have you been?
That's what I'm saying. Why would he want a scapegoat for a major piece of his agenda PASSING?
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That's what I'm saying. Why would he want a scapegoat for a major piece of his agenda PASSING?
It took a year, and it ended up being an extremely watered down version of what he wanted. Throughout the entire reform process, he blamed Republicans for its failure to pass. Red Dog's statement was referring to then, not now.
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I suppose it depends on your definition of populist. I don't believe Obama's message is a populist one.

btw: Do you believe the 'send 'em all home' folks distinguish between a combat troop and non-combat troop?
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That's what I'm saying. Why would he want a scapegoat for a major piece of his agenda PASSING?
I'm talking about when it was stalled. Obviously, he doesn't need a scapegoat now that it passed.
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It took a year, and it ended up being an extremely watered down version of what he wanted. Throughout the entire reform process, he blamed Republicans for its failure to pass. Red Dog's statement was referring to then, not now.
Thank you. Thought it was rather clear what with me using the past tense.
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btw: Do you believe the 'send 'em all home' folks distinguish between a combat troop and non-combat troop?
The "send 'em home" people that matter stopped paying attention to Iraq the day after the election. We avoided 100 years of war. Sigh of relief!
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Granted the Repubs would have control of the House to really reek havoc on Obama's agenda.

However, there probably will be enough non-liberal Democrats left in the House who worry about 2012.

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