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2010 House Elections

Old 11-17-10, 07:48 PM
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Re: 2010 House Elections

Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
The cynic in me says the whole Schuler opposing Pelosi was more for show and cover than for anything else. Those 43 want to be able to say in 2012 "I didn't vote for Pelosi as leader!" Heck, Pelosi may have even been ok with it.
"If" all 43 are Democrats at that time. I wouldnt be surprised to see some defections if things go well for the GOP in the next few months....
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Re: 2010 House Elections

Originally Posted by mosquitobite View Post
The cynic in me says the whole Shuler opposing Pelosi was more for show and cover than for anything else. Those 43 want to be able to say in 2012 "I didn't vote for Pelosi as leader!" Heck, Pelosi may have even been ok with it.
Well even the cynic you is wrong sometimes - like this time.
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Re: 2010 House Elections

Yeah, not many people run for cover 2 years before they can even bring it up again.
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Anyone watch John Boehner on 60 Minutes?

Is the man seriously unstable? Seriously. Am I the only one concerned about his psychological state?
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Re: 2010 House Elections

Originally Posted by CRM114 View Post
I'd go for a one-year moratorium on the tax increases but then after that, raise the taxes on those making over a million even higher. And those making over $1 billion? Through the roof.
How many people make over $1 billion in ordinary income? I would be surprised if any American does.

Edit: I was beat to the punch by many.

If your goal is to take money from the people who can most afford it and won't miss it as much as others, why not just do a one time wealth tax instead?
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Their marginal tax rate should be 90%.
why? (and please don't say because "they wouldn't miss it")
Old 12-15-10, 03:28 PM
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Wow! I didn't know the newly elected Republicans were already seated in the House!

But if it's in the Washington Post, it must be true!


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121202760.html

Procrastination economics

By Fareed Zakaria

Monday, December 13, 2010;

This is the wrong time to raise taxes, say the politicians. The economy is fragile, say the economists. The recovery is halting, say the pundits. In a few years, they all affirm, we will need to get our fiscal house in order. Of course, just a few years ago, the economy was doing fine, and Washington decided it wasn't the moment to worry about the deficit. Instead, over the past decade, we cut taxes, added a massive entitlement program (prescription drugs for the elderly) and spent trillions on two wars. Somehow, no matter what the economic clock says, it's never time in Washington to cut spending or raise taxes. Call it mañana economics.

The best one can say about President Obama's compromise plan with Congress is that it will do some short-term good - at long-term cost. The only parts of the plan likely to have a significant effect in stimulating the economy are the extensions of unemployment insurance, cuts in payroll taxes and, perhaps, tax credits for businesses ("perhaps" because they are temporary and thus would only bring forward investments). To get these measures, worth about $250 billion, Obama agreed to an extension of the Bush tax cuts that will cost around $750 billion, and eventually much more since the tax cuts are now more likely to become permanent. It makes the original stimulus plan of 2009 look stunningly efficient.

The first act of the newly empowered Republican Party has been to add a trillion dollars to the deficit. Republicans have now fully embraced the Keynesian arguments that they routinely denounced. John Maynard Keynes argued that when private demand weakens, the government should pick up the slack. He advocated either of two paths: government spending or tax cuts. Republicans have simply chosen the latter course.

So when will we get serious about our fiscal mess? In 2020 or 2030, when the needed spending cuts and tax hikes get much larger? If we cannot inflict a little pain now, who will impose a lot of pain later? Does anyone believe that Washington will one day develop the political courage it now lacks? And what if, while we are getting around to doing something, countries get nervous about lending us money and interest rates rise?

I understand the politics of compromise and the politics of reelection, and this deal makes sense on both grounds. It doesn't make much sense for the long-term growth of the American economy. What Washington is trying to do is reignite the consumption bubble - hoping to get Americans to spend money and take out loans. This plan, presidential adviser Lawrence Summers tells us, will get the economy to "escape velocity." It's an intriguing theory. If Americans keep spending money, using their credit cards, and buying houses, this will trigger the next technological and economic revolution.

China has a different theory of how to get long-term, sustained growth. The Chinese have doubled their spending on education - with stunning results - and continue to build the world's best infrastructure. Reuters reports that Beijing is contemplating a plan to invest $1.5 trillion over the next five years in seven crucial industries. The targeted sectors are alternative energy, biotechnology, new-generation information technology, high-end equipment manufacturing, advanced materials, alternative-fuel cars, and energy-saving and environmentally friendly technologies. Somehow, housing and retail didn't make the list.

The basic problem in the U.S. economy is that for a generation now, we have been consuming more and saving and investing less. Consumption ranged from 60 to 65 percent of gross domestic product for decades; then it started moving up in the early 1980s, reaching 70 percent of GDP in 2001, where it has stayed ever since. More spending has not been triggered by rising incomes but entirely by an expansion of credit - the underlying cause of the crash of 2008. And yet our solution to our problems is to expand credit and consumption.

Of course, we don't have the money to pay for our new tax plan, so we will borrow it, in part from foreign central banks. While China spends its money to invest in long-term growth, it lends us cash so that we can give ourselves one more big tax break. Someone in Beijing must be smiling.
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He didn't say newly elected, he said newly empowered.
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Re: 2010 House Elections

Originally Posted by RoyalTea View Post
why? (and please don't say because "they wouldn't miss it")
A high tax rate coupled with loopholes and deductions could get money flowing throughout the economy. They'll still pay the same in the end, but the money won't just circulate back and forth in ponzi schemes like the subprime mortgage quagmire.

/giggity.

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