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Study Finds Liberals and Atheists Smarter.

Obviously this is debatable. I like the findings because they favor me, however, I can see the inherent problems in the research and conclusions. Still, I think it is probably accurate.


Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds


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ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010) ó More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.
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I'm hoping for a lively thread! Of course, I managed to fuck up my own point by forgetting to finish my thread title before putting punctuation on it.
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Inherent problem? The article is actually titled "Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent".

http://spq.sagepub.com/cgi/rapidpdf/0190272510361602v1

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The origin of values and preferences is an unresolved theoretical question in behavioral and social sciences. The Savanna-IQ Interaction Hypothesis, derived from the Savanna Principle and a theory of the evolution of general intelligence, suggests that more intelligent individuals may be more likely to acquire and espouse evolutionarily novel values and preferences (such as liberalism and atheism and, for men, sexual exclusivity) than less intelligent individuals, but that general intelligence may have no effect on the acquisition and espousal of evolutionarily familiar values (for children, marriage, family, and friends). The analyses of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Study 1) and the General Social Surveys (Study 2) show that adolescent and adult intelligence significantly increases adult liberalism, atheism, and menís (but not womenís) value on sexual exclusivity.
So you may be a liberal atheist, but apparently you are also abstinent. :

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Awesome! I'm a liberal atheist monogamous dude so I must be smarter than, like, all of you. I love this study. I'm excited to be a part of it.
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There's a wrong forum problem here. I did notice that.
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said the study done by Liberals and Atheist......
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Is there a science forum I missed?
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Well, given that the government is a majority of liberals, we must be doing great.
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Well, given that the government is a majority of liberals, we must be doing great.
The government fucks things up no matter who's in charge. To be human is to fuck-up. We are not a naturally competent species.
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Democrat ≠ Liberal. Anyway, if the dumbass conservatives would stop cockblocking everything, we might be better off. [/sarcasm]
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Actually, the correlation between higher intelligence and sexual exclusivity makes some sense. After all, if you value your intelligence, you don't wish to propagate with someone of average intelligence, or with radically different beliefs than yours, out of fear that your progeny are less intelligent or possess "superstitious" beliefs. Hence, the selection pool for reproduction among these kinds of people is significantly smaller. Therefore, in order to expand that pool, you must be sexually exclusive to a willing, compatible partner.

Damn you, Sheldon Cooper!

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So you may be a liberal atheist, but apparently you are also abstinent. :
I posted this on another forum and made a similar joke. I think it has something to do with being socially awkward nerds.
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Liberals not smarter - pleze!

Taking over country liek socialism "smarter..." Right.

Liberals dumb because AMERICA!
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This forum proves that study false
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Originally Posted by Thor Simpson View Post
Liberals not smarter - pleze!

Taking over country liek socialism "smarter..." Right.

Liberals dumb because AMERICA!
Ahmen! lulz
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I like this take on it:

Atheists And Liberals More Intelligent, Says Atheist, Liberal Psychologist
http://www.scientificblogging.com/ne...l_psychologist
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Obviously this is debatable. I like the findings because they favor me, however, I can see the inherent problems in the research and conclusions. Still, I think it is probably accurate.


Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds
So a man who thinks more with his big brain is less likely to think with his little brain? Duh!

His "logic", however, is VERY weakly reasoned. He automatically seems to think that "more novel" is automatically "more successful." Evolution only has one criterion for success and that IS success. He needs to establish that these behaviors are more successful. I'm not saying he is wrong, I AM saying he has completely failed to establish his point.

He has failed to even consider that with a big brain, humans may have other criteria for success than traditional evolutionary success (which is basically breeding success, how many of your kids survive to breed). In particular, humans may choose kinds of success that do NOT maximize the number of their surviving children.

Frankly, his argument approaches "I've decided this is good, so I'll wrap it in a nice evolution wrapper to justify it."
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For it has been said:

'Smarter is not always Wiser.'

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I deliberately tried to find the least skewed article from a scientific standpoint. I was hoping to find at least a mention of the study on Fox News, but no such luck. I thought it would at least be amusing to see how they spun it.
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I deliberately tried to find the least skewed article from a scientific standpoint. I was hoping to find at least a mention of the study on Fox News, but no such luck. I thought it would at least be amusing to see how they spun it.
Was this reported on any news channel?
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Was this reported on any news channel?
I originally got the story from CNN's website.
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I would expect self-identified liberals and athiests to be better educated, but that doesn't really mean much.
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Originally Posted by zombeaner View Post
I was hoping to find at least a mention of the study on Fox News, but no such luck. I thought it would at least be amusing to see how they spun it.
Well, they apparently scooped you by several days.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587229,00.html
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Ahh, I guess I searched the wrong keywords. He reacted about how I figured. We wear almost the exact same glasses. Weird.

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