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Old 02-09-10, 09:51 AM
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Is the Obama Admin borrowing a (bad) line from the Bush Admin?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-al-qaeda.html

WH: Some Critics 'Serving the Goals of al Qaeda'

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In an oped in USA Today, John Brennan -- Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism -- responds to critics of the Obama administration's counterterrorism policies by saying "Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda."

Brennan writes that, "Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill."

In the oped, titled "'We need no lectures': Administration disrupts terrorists’ plots, takes fight to them abroad," Brennan writes that politics "should never get in the way of national security. But too many in Washington are now misrepresenting the facts to score political points, instead of coming together to keep us safe."

The administration op-ed is in response to a USA Today editorial entitled "National security team fails to inspire confidence; Officials’ handling of Christmas Day attack looks like amateur hour."

Brennan provides a detailed defense of the administration's handling of failed Christmas Day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab whom, he says, was "thoroughly interrogated and provided important information."

He suggests that many critics are hypocritical and clueless.

The statement sounds legit. Politically motivated criticism is stupid. Fear mongering is stupid. Of course, who decides what is politically motivated and what is legit? I suspect both sides of the aisle have different definitions of it.

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Old 02-09-10, 09:57 AM
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Meet the old boss, same as the old boss. Won't be fooled again! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
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"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
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Thank goodness for that little thing called "Free speech."
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Hey Mr. Asshat...AKA: Brennan....just because you chose to do something a certain way doesn't necessarily mean its the right way to get things done.

The arrogance of this administration astounds me.
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More than the arrogance of the last administration?
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More than the arrogance of the last administration?
Ok..ya got me
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If we're going to talk about what Mr. Brennan wrote, is it too much to ask that we actually look at what he wrote instead of Jake Tapper's summary of what he wrote?

Opposing view: 'We need no lectures'
Administration disrupts terrorists’ plots, takes fight to them abroad.
By John Brennan

Politics should never get in the way of national security. But too many in Washington are now misrepresenting the facts to score political points, instead of coming together to keep us safe.

Immediately after the failed Christmas Day attack, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was thoroughly interrogated and provided important information. Senior counterterrorism officials from the White House, the intelligence community and the military were all actively discussing this case before he was Mirandized and supported the decision to charge him in criminal court.

The most important breakthrough occurred after Abdulmutallab was read his rights, a long-standing FBI policy that was reaffirmed under Michael Mukasey, President Bush's attorney general. The critics who want the FBI to ignore this long-established practice also ignore the lessons we have learned in waging this war: Terrorists such as Jose Padilla and Saleh al-Mari did not cooperate when transferred to military custody, which can harden one's determination to resist cooperation.

It's naive to think that transferring Abdulmutallab to military custody would have caused an outpouring of information. There is little difference between military and civilian custody, other than an interrogator with a uniform. The suspect gets access to a lawyer, and interrogation rules are nearly identical.


Would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid was read his Miranda rights five minutes after being taken off a plane he tried to blow up. The same people who criticize the president today were silent back then.

Cries to try terrorists only in military courts lack foundation. There have been three convictions of terrorists in the military tribunal system since 9/11, and hundreds in the criminal justice system — including high-profile terrorists such as Reid and 9/11 plotter Zacarius Moussaoui.

This administration's efforts have disrupted dozens of terrorist plots against the homeland and been responsible for killing and capturing hundreds of hard-core terrorists, including senior leaders in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and beyond — far more than in 2008. We need no lectures about the fact that this nation is at war.

Politically motivated criticism and unfounded fear-mongering only serve the goals of al-Qaeda. Terrorists are not 100-feet tall. Nor do they deserve the abject fear they seek to instill. They will, however, be dismantled and destroyed, by our military, our intelligence services and our law enforcement community. And the notion that America's counterterrorism professionals and America's system of justice are unable to handle these murderous miscreants is absurd.

John Brennan is Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism.
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I don't quite see how the USA Today editorial makes what he said any better.
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USA Today editorials make everything better.
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Originally Posted by wildcatlh View Post
I don't quite see how the USA Today editorial makes what he said any better.
It doesn't necessarily, but it does provide more context. If you're going to criticize someone, you should criticize what they said, not what some journalist said they said.
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I hated and undermined America then and I do now. How's that for consistency?
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If you're going to criticize someone, you should criticize what they said, not what some journalist said they said.
We should probably do away with those silly journalists altogether, and just read every word that everyone says, ever.
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Originally Posted by wildcatlh View Post
I don't quite see how the USA Today editorial makes what he said any better.
That editorial would have been stronger without that line. It's unfortunate he felt the need to include it.
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Meet the old boss, same as the old boss. Won't be fooled again! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
I said that a while back about Obama. You must not be reading all my posts. Some fan you are.
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He only reads the ones that will make for good quotes.
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