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Old 02-09-10, 03:32 PM
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I don't recall Bush blaming Clinton when things didn't go his way though...
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I could very well be wrong, I just don't remember. That would only reinforce my point that nothing's changed.
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Originally Posted by Artman View Post
I could very well be wrong, I just don't remember. That would only reinforce my point that nothing's changed.
Not Bush, but some people implied blame for 911 on Clinton for not taking out Bin Ladin when a prime opportunity presented itself. Janet Reno(read Clinton) came up alot in discussion about the laws preventing different intelligence agiences being able to share info and thus prevent 911.

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Old 02-09-10, 05:39 PM
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I bet whoever paid to have that billboard put up would be a bit disheartened to see the actual numbers on the answer to his question.
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I don't miss Bush in the slightest. I yearn for the Clinton days. And if term limits were repealed (and they should be), Clinton would beat Obama in 2012.
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If you didn't like Bush, then you obviously don't miss him.
If you did like Bush, things are basically the same as they were so you can't miss him.
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Nothin to miss. Same bullshit, different asshole in front of the camera reading the scripts they're given.
Old 02-09-10, 10:06 PM
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Hells yes, at least I got tax cuts from Bush.
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Re: "Miss Me Yet?" - George Bush Billboard

Originally Posted by Artman View Post
Like others have mentioned, not a lot's changed. I don't recall Bush blaming Clinton when things didn't go his way though...
Are you for real? Christ! Every crappy thing that happened during 8 years of Bush, the Clinton administration was routinely blamed.
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Hells yes, at least I got tax cuts from Bush.
Mmm yeah they worked wonders for the economy didn't they?
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^ You don't understand. As long as your income was positively affected in one very small way, you can completely disregard the immense number of ways that it was negatively affected, because those ways aren't so black & white. I just want to see my tax rate go down by 2%, damn it! Who cares if I end up spending 12% more because of their other policies?
Old 02-10-10, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
It's quite obvious (to me, anyway) that Bush was primarily a figurehead, a puppet, for the VP to manipulate, so that we, in turn, got...."manipulated."
You might make the 'puppet argument' for, say 1/20/2001 until about 9/11/2001. After that, the 'puppet argument' doesn't hold water.
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Mmm yeah they worked wonders for the economy didn't they?

We will see if the Dems do not renew them.....


Obama is intent on raising taxes. So much for that promise not to raise taxes on those making less than 250k.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/02...s-off-the-hoo/

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PD toolbar!The president is not happy with the current fiscal situation. In fact, he sounded angry in his budget message, noting that his spending plan eliminates the Bush tax cuts that "Our Nation could not afford ... when they passed" and cannot afford now. He is also mad at the financial industry and "calls for those in the financial sector -- who benefited so greatly from the extraordinary measures taken to rescue them from a crisis that was largely of their own making to finally recognize their obligation to taxpayers."
In contrast to President George W. Bush, who inherited a record $236 billion surplus in 2000, Obama inherited a record $455 budget deficit in 2008. The cost of the financial bailout and economic recession drove the deficit to a record $1.4 trillion in 2009.
As expected, the president kept his promise to raise taxes on wealthy families and individuals starting next year. First, he will allow the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled for families that make at least $250,000 (or individuals who make at least $200,000).
Allowing the tax cuts to expire would return the top two income tax rates to the 39.6 percent and 36 percent rates that existed in 2000. Second, these same families would now pay a 20 percent rather than a 15 percent rate on dividends and capital gains. Finally, the administration seeks to reinstate the personal exemption phase-out that existed before the 2001 tax cut and to limit the rate at which these taxpayers can take itemized deductions to a maximum of 28 percent, rather than at the relevant income tax rate, which would be 36 percent or 39.6 percent.
Another provision that mainly affects the wealthiest taxpayers is the proposal to tax hedge fund and private equity managers on their carried interest, which is their share of profits, at ordinary income rates rather than at the reduced capital gains rates.
All total, these provisions would raise nearly $1 trillion from the wealthiest taxpayers over the next decade.
The president also proposed increasing taxes on multinational corporations, although not by as much as he wanted to last year. At that time, Obama expected to collect $210 billion over ten years by scaling back the tax benefits that allow U.S. multinational corporations to reduce their U.S. tax bill by keeping their earnings offshore. But business opposition prevented the provisions from being enacted. Despite this setback, the president remains determined to scale back the tax benefits granted to offshore earnings and raise $122 billion in the next decade largely through deferring certain interest expense deductions, reforming the foreign income tax credit, and curbing income shifting by disallowing the favorable tax treatment of certain intangibles transferred offshore.
His budget proposes raising $90 billion over ten years by imposing the Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee on many financial institutions that benefitted from the TARP. But, his plan does not call for a tax on the bankers' bonuses that Obama finds so obscene.
The president had seemed determined to go after "fat cat bankers" whose firms are reporting "massive profits and obscene bonuses" because some of these firms "owe their continued existence to the American people," as he said in January when he announced the Financial Crisis Responsibility Fee. But his budget only goes part way to fulfilling this pledge.
While it can be difficult to levy windfall taxes, when the investment bank Goldman Sachs is earning a record $13.4 billion, its CEO Lloyd Blankfein reported about to receive a $100 million bonus, and the firm planning to pay more than $16 billion in compensation and benefits, Obama is leaving a lot of money on the table. What is worse, even companies that lost money are still paying record amounts to their employees. Although it lost $960 million last year, Morgan Stanley managed to pay $14.4 billion in compensation and benefits.
Finally, while it is always difficult to levy windfall taxes, Obama may have missed the perfect opportunity to modify the bankers' compensation practices. As the U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling said when announcing his government's plan to levy a 50 percent windfall tax on banker bonuses, the goal is to provide banks an incentive to rebuild their capital rather than to pay themselves. As the Financial Times' Martin Wolf described it, a windfall tax recognizes that the banks owe their tremendous profits to the unlimited protection that the government gave directly through multibillion dollar bailouts but also through the implicit guarantee the government provided by assuring that none of these institutions would fail. Both Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley received a $10 billion bailout from the TARP.
Despite his anger over many of the Bush administration's policies, Obama cannot place all of the blame on his predecessor, as last year Congress gave away billions of dollars in tax breaks to corporations. As the Congressional Budget Office reported, corporate income tax revenues were 30 percent lower in the first quarter of this fiscal year compared with last year due not only to weak corporate profits, but also to "the effects of recent legislation that extended the period over which corporations could apply current-year losses to offset income in previous years." In November, Obama signed the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act that generally allows corporate taxpayers with net operating losses in 2008 or 2009 to obtain refunds of taxes paid for five years instead of three years. (corporations that received help through the troubled asset relief program (TARP) are not eligible for this tax break.)
The self-inflicted wounds don't stop there. As the Washington Post reported, the federal government gave Citigroup a tax break that may be worth $38 billion by exempting the company from a provision that under normal tax rules would have disallowed this tax benefit. Another beneficiary of the TARP, GMAC Financial Services, also stands to obtain a $1.7 billion break for the same reason.
Regardless of who is to blame, Congress shows little willingness to go along with Obama's tax increases or his spending cuts. To help the president get around this impasse, he proposes creating a bipartisan 18-member debt commission by executive order that after the November election would send Congress specific recommendations on how to reduce the budget deficit.
The Congressional Budget Office views deficit reduction as critical to the U.S. economy. As the CBO said in its January Budget and Economic Outlook report, federal debt is projected to reach 60 percent of GDP by the end of the year. Combined with rapid growth in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, to keep federal deficits and debt from reaching levels that would harm the economy, "lawmakers would have to significantly increase revenues, decrease projected spending, or enact some combination of the two."
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Re: "Miss Me Yet?" - George Bush Billboard

In the current political climate, I can't imagine anyone missing any President after 8 years. I can't imagine any President missing the job, either.
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Originally Posted by rw2516 View Post
Not Bush, but some people implied blame for 911 on Clinton for not taking out Bin Ladin when a prime opportunity presented itself. Janet Reno(read Clinton) came up alot in discussion about the laws preventing different intelligence agiences being able to share info and thus prevent 911.
I remember these same people attacking Clinton when he fired cruise missiles at Afghanistan in an effort to try and kill Bin Ladin. Being stationed in the area and waking up to that news made me worried my work day wasn't going to be a usual day.

I also remember listening to the only English radio station sitting out in the middle of a jungle listening to Rush criticizing Clinton for Kosovo, which was going on at the time. Years later I hear Rush saying it was good that we went in.

That's the type of stuff that bothers me more, along with people that only vote along party lines and not the candidates themselves and the issues. It's like the people wishing for Bush Jr. to be back in office don't remember what caused our economy to get where it is today.

Obama's an evil socialist? How come these same people aren't fighting to get rid of the social security benefits they're getting that I won't have a chance of seeing when I get to that age? Oh yeah, as long as you're getting a benefit, it's ok and we can ignore it.

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
Still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Still running up debt like a teenager with handful of dad's credit cards.
Still prosecuting porn.
Still handing out corporate welfare.
Gay people still can't get married.
War on drugs is still going on.
"Don't ask, don't tell" is still in effect.
Gitmo is still open.

Are we sure he even went away?
We're pulling out of Iraq, it doesn't happen overnight. Afghanistan was what we should have focused on in the beginning and we finally have a president that's not just leaving it on the back burner.

It was voted down to limit spending.

Prosecuting porn is a different branch of the government.

Handing out corporate welfare? Yes, because if we went with a different guy, that would end.

Gay marriage is a state issue, not a federal issue.

He put pressure on not wasting money on the war on drugs when some lady from the Bush era was still going after pot guys.

Don't ask, don't tell is something in the middle of being worked on.

Can't just magic a prison(Gitmo) closed in a second. But then certain groups of people have the idea that if we brought them here, they'd mix in with the general population at prison. Newsflash: Terrorists in prisons in the US are kept isolated. They aren't mixed in.

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Obama's an evil socialist? How come these same people aren't fighting to get rid of the social security benefits they're getting that I won't have a chance of seeing when I get to that age? Oh yeah, as long as you're getting a benefit, it's ok and we can ignore it.
I've heard that 'I won't have...............' for decades. It hasn't happened. It won't happen.

btw: I'm (was) critical as hell of our unwarranted invasion of a sovereign country - Serbia.

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers View Post
It was voted down to limit spending.
LOLwut?

Prosecuting porn is a different branch of the government.
Again LOLwut? The DOJ is part of the Executive branch. Edumucate yourself here.

Handing out corporate welfare? Yes, because if we went with a different guy, that would end.
"The other guy would do it too." is not an argument. At least it's not an argument with a point you're hoping to make.

Gay marriage is a state issue, not a federal issue.
DOJ defends DOMA.

He put pressure on not wasting money on the war on drugs when some lady from the Bush era was still going after pot guys.
He picked as a Vice President one of the biggest warriors in the War on Drugs™. As far as him ending the War on Drugs™, I will believe it when I see it.

Don't ask, don't tell is something in the middle of being worked on.
An item entirely out of his hands. That belongs entirely to the Legislative Branch and I don't see them rushing forward with anything.

Can't just magic a prison(Gitmo) closed in a second.
Been a year+

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Speaking of the War on Drugs, Obama's nominee to head the DEA (Michele Leonhart) is another inducing act. She's a Bush holdover BTW. Change.
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Speaking of the War on Drugs, Obama's nominee to head the DEA (Michele Leonhart) is another inducing act. She's a Bush holdover BTW. Change.
I haven't been following it very closely -- it's not something that's going to be all over the news -- but it seems like Obama has kept most of the Bush-appointed federal prosecutors, the same group of nutters who Bush appointed fresh out of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's colleges, as well as a lot of the DOJ.
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Originally Posted by Lemmy View Post
It's quite obvious (to me, anyway) that Bush was primarily a figurehead, a puppet, for the VP to manipulate, so that we, in turn, got...."manipulated."
This is why I can never take some people seriously.
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Originally Posted by wendersfan View Post
Fuck no. I'd rather have George W Bush as president-for-life than have that degenerate slimeball within 100 yards of the Oval Office.
How dare you call Bill H. Harrison a slimeball!
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When you make statements like you did do in #53, how can anyone take your seriously?
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Yes, by all means if you want to be taken seriously take advice from c-man!
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And the reverse is true; if you refuse to see the obvious fact that we, as an entire country, were railroaded & raped repeatedly for 8 years by a puppet and his masters who don't give two shits about you or anyone else except themselves...well....."this is why I can never take some people seriously."

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